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Discussion #10283Talk Sense

29 Jun 2013 02:43:18
With Nelson Mandela being on the news a lot recently, I had a question. Was he a hero or a terrorist?

 

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Was he either? He was standing against a National Party that was implementing Apartheid laws.

Racial segregation where he was born meaning inferior medical care, education, public services and to the ridiculous of different beaches.

I'm not going to pretend to a staunch Nelson Mandela supporter of that I hero worship him however, you cannot call him a terrorist and say the National Party in South Africa were not. Its actually unbelievable to think laws like Apartheid existed into the 1990's.

If Nelson Mandela is/was a terrorist, what does that make the Governments?

Mrs E
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Fair to say that the Governments are terrorists, only they are not accountable for anything they do, Mrs E

I don't believe Mandala was though. He only instilled terror in white SA, by giving the blacks rights.

Melbourne CFC
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I think we all know that answer Mrs E.
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frankyscouser
The apartheid laws in SA got the masses to be behind Mandela release and the western leaders had to put pressure on, I do not know enough about SA to be honest but one I do believe if a freedom fighter or a man who wanted equality like nelson Mandela in 2013 would be jailed.
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Discussion #2290Talk Sense

28 Jun 2013 23:03:31
Hi folks,
I was driving through my home-town earlier today. As it's marching season here in Northern Ireland, there are lots of banners and other eyesores strung from every pillar and post. I happened to notice on one of the pillar decorations there was a freemason emblem, anyone know if there's history there?

 

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Discussion #9002Talk Sense

28 Jun 2013 22:59:00
Just seen the BBC news about the pedo Muslims who got jailed and it would be funny if it was not so sick. the puppets behind the BBC who covered Jimmy saviles backside throughout the years have the cheek to make out that Muslims should police their own people, really? Jesus Christ does it matter what religion or faith you are attached to, if you're a nonce you're a nonce, definitely a agenda.

 

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Discussion #9001Talk Sense

28 Jun 2013 15:53:09
right I know it is a scam this worldwide rescission, but am I missing the point these bankers gambled the shares in the city, my question is why is no one asking who gained as in corporations or names?

 

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Franky mate, most of what you say is usually worth reading, but saying the worldwide resesion is a scam is a bit to far fetched do you really think countries such as the uk and usa would be pulled into such a scam? I like to believe I played a part in this recession having taken out over £10k worth of loans and never paying them back ha
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28 Jun 2013 19:04:54
There's one in every village ^. pea
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What I meant by scam is it was allowed to happen, from what I can make out is we are borrowing money off a nameless family/corporation at an inflated price, a loan shark and when these traders got told they have to pay off these loans the recession kicked off, my question who was it that called in these loans?

{Ed033's Note - Yes, it's a theft. Unknown people who control the governments told people in government positions to give trillions of dollars to them via the bankers. It would be nice to know who they are.
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Money is an Instrument, it really has no value other then to create a cause and effect.
It's just paper.

Murp

{Ed033's Note - Except as long as we all agree that paper money represents something, it does have value
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Dead right ed. what's going on is we as people borrow money to speculate in the housing market or where ever when we cannot meet this death we are evicted. now on the banks side they speculated at a time when things wer going well offering 100% loans which i'd nearly be sure is kind of illegal it goes pear shaped and low and behold everyone bails out the investors. money is of no value only we the people make it so. if society went back into a bartering system we'd be no worse off, just that the super rich would still have more to barter with. greed is the downfall of all economies full stop. if ther was no money it would be turnips but who knows but the same people allways seem to have the upper hand. I say cause a riot and rid ourselves of them

{Ed033's Note - For future reference to people, I think it's, 'Lo and behold!'
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Discussion #9000Talk Sense

28 Jun 2013 15:26:43
we have a power cut in liverpool today and something like that shows how reliant we are on technology, I am sort of used to blackouts as I can remember as a kid in the 70s me mum buying candles when the strikes were on, plus there was no central heating if it was freezing we had thick blankets with coats on the bed to keep us warm, jesus I sound like my dad ha, anyways my point is everyone was out in our area, some panicking, alarms going off everywhere and that was just for a hour, just imagine this was a week or two, there would be chaos, we rely to much on technology, do not get me wrong I love the internet were it gives you licence to roam there world and communicate to anyone but I would rather are not dependent on all that type of stuff, and the weird and sad thing about the blackout is you get talking to neighbors who you would not chat to, I think if the 70s blackouts happened now there would be riots and anarchy, it shows how fragile our society is were we know there is a nwo and what they can do to cause mayhem and a simple turning out of the lights could be all it takes, a bit like the tv show revolution.

 

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Probably wasnt a power cut, more like the power company cut yous off for not paying your bills lol
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{Ed033's Note - Yes exactly, frankyscouser, apparently they have run computer simulations on what would happen if they did turn off the electricity in a country.
After 1 week people run out of food and shortly afterwards some people form into gangs and those gangs start going house to house killing the occupants to search for food. After about a month, most everyone is dead.
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A bit like Revolution a ed?

{Ed033's Note - worse as people would start being cannibals
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Katrina was an example of a test, do not tell me a superpower could not get supplies or first aid to its citizens for over a week, they are quicker getting supplies across the world, it was a dummy run, test the so called lower classes and see how they react.
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Discussion #10282Talk Sense

27 Jun 2013 17:38:20
{Ed033's Note - A Breakdown of an example of the mainstream media's use of Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP)

 

gibsy21
Ive always known of this type of mind control. i'd be intrigued 2 see a presedential speech.
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frankyscouser
Watched the wogan and icke interview just then, it shows you how wogan's techniques are old fashioned and he let icke mention 9/11 and Illuminati without getting interrupted, mention 9/11 now and give it 5 seconds then they butt in.
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Discussion #10281Talk Sense

27 Jun 2013 15:47:47
Turkey UFO Video Analysis showing grey ETs? inside the craft

http://archivosovni2.blogspot.co.uk/

 

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I think its a fake.
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Discussion #11099Talk Sense

27 Jun 2013 00:21:57
What is everyones' take on Curiosity?! Is it really on Mars or are we being shown pictures of something closer to home such as a set in the desert? Came across some interesting pictures which Curiosity has taken and some of them are hard to dismiss such as the silver disc like a cd which was photographed lately. I have attached a link to this article. would be interesting to hear what you all think.

www.ufo-blogger.com/2013/06/nasa-curiosity-cd-shape-shiny-object.html

{Ed033's Note - Mars was inhabited by intelligent beings in the past and possibly still is. Some of our dna probably come from people who used to be there. The surface of Mars appears to be littered with non-natural / intelligent made objects or parts of objects.

A catastrophe in the past on mars caused loads of debris from a civilisation on mars to be broken and scattered across parts of mars.

 

PmacC
Cheers for the reply Ed. It seems like NASA aren't too bothered to try censor some of the photos and are putting them out there in the public. Could this all be their plan to disclose some information on ET's. What I mean is do you think they will release photos from this mission as they are doing and act all surprised by the evidence and in doing so they can say this is their first encounter or the first signs of alien life whilst still keeping the many years of contact they have had a secret?

{Ed033's Note - There have been many anomalies in many NASA photos and to date neither the mainstream media nor governments have said anything about the anomalies in the photos, so I would expect that to continue. Unless they're forced to, I can't see the US Government officially disclosing anything ET anytime soon

ET Disclosure would be a very complicated procedure but if you're going to do it then the easiest way might be over a period of time to, firstly release that there is liquid water somewhere on Mars (which they have done) and then to say they found a microbe (which they did a number of years ago but then changed their minds and said it wasn't a life form) then you might leave it for a while before releasing you've found another different very primitive life form and you'd continue "finding" more and more complicated life forms over a period of time.
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I believe the same as what Ed said, regarding the CD. I guess that could of falling off Curiosity but it’s the finger in the other photos that I find interesting. Good post mate
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Discussion #8999Talk Sense

26 Jun 2013 23:53:58
here is a free online book about the Madeline McCann case.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.dk/2010/01/maddie-truth-of-lie.html

 

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That kate interview is so telling as they zoom into her eyes. When she says "tell us where she is" her eyes momentarily go into that image recollation place.

She knows what happened as do the cadaver dogs! Maddie imo, died in that apartment and her parents kno what's up. They both need polygraphs.
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Great link thanks Franky, and yes gibsy they agreed to the polygraph, but then added a huge list of conditions that were impossible to meet apparently.

Ryan. {Ed001's Note - polygraphs are fallible anyway, they can be beaten.}
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Discussion #10280Talk Sense

25 Jun 2013 22:25:21
I see below where franky mentioned how certain cases involving the police have got people asking questions.
What about what happened during the troubles in Ireland. there was rumoured to be a lot of collusion etc.

I know there was people hurt on both sides and a lot of innocent people died that's not what i am saying.
I am talking about police in general. I feel they're is good and bad in every police force.

Hongkongphuey

 

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Try watching 'Hidden Agenda', not far from the truth as far as corruption in the RUC is concerned
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I do believe there are good policemen but like everything else the higher you go up in the force that's were the waters get murky and I read or watched something about the police recruitment in fact it might have been from this site, saying that they are not always after the right type of copper, some guy passed the exams with over 90% but got declined because he was not suitable for some reason, the guy in question seemed he wanted the job for the right reasons and he cared, it makes you wonder what type of police the establishment want in ten to twenty years.

{Ed033's Note - In order to push in the ridiculous nwo agenda of total control, they want low empathy people (sociopaths, psychopaths) that won't question anything and will do anything they're told regardless.
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Spot on ED. As someone in his early fifties I remember when you could talk to a cop. They showed common sense and cared about what they did. There are still some old school cops but very few. Real cops are sickened by the way politicians are using them as a stealth taxman. The vast majority are in it for the pension.
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I have always maintained that the police force you get is a reflection of the society you live in. For example, a racist society will have racist police force and a poorly educated society will have a poorly educated police force.
I believe that there are different ideas of what a police forces' role is, firstly there is the idea that the force is comprised of Police'men' who uphold the Common Law and help find missing kids etc. , and there is a Police 'Officer' who enforces govt policy i.e. fixed penalty notices and attacks on anyone opposing the state. I prefer policemen as opposed to Policy Officers and I hope there are still some about.

MrTrotskysGhost

{Ed033's Note - It's a nice thought that there are policemen about on their oath to protect the people on the land against real criminals but unfortunately, police officers say they're on their oath and then commit unlawful acts without consent as they don't realise that policing (enforcing government policy / statutes) in Britain is by consent (only given the force of law by consent).
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Discussion #10279Talk Sense

25 Jun 2013 13:29:31
Anyone else here think the death of Michael Hastings looks highly suspicious?

Ryan.

 

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I had seen a link with his death a few weeks ago, I do not much about the guy so would need to research more about him, the only thing I know he was supposedly blow the lid of something, but like I said when I get time I will study more about him.
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It does, sending a chilling e-mail to colleagues and moments later he crashes at very high speed, maybe he was travelling at high speed because he was being chased and forced off the road.

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You just have to look at the facts! Emails wiki leaks 2 hours before saying he's being watched! Does a tv show stating that he's being watched 2 hours later car in a tree on fire! Engine over 50 yards down the road! Pure assassination! No doubt in my mind!

RR!
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Richard Clarke thinks it has all the hallmarks of a car cyber attack. I'm finding it hard to understand how the engine of the car could become a projectile. Maybe if anyone here is a mechanic they can help explain if they believe it is possible for the engine to do that in a single car collision? There's something very weird about this.

Ryan.
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Remember seeing something about radio controlled cars! Where They are able to take full control of a vehicle even if it was already in motion! Would have had time to fit it as prior to the crash he was on t. v doing an interview! It's the whole engine that makes this smell funny! I've never seen an accident where the engine has travelled over 50 yards in the opposite direction of where the car stopped! The more I read and watch videos regarding this the more it makes me wonder what info did this lad have that was worth losing your life for!

RR!
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Discussion #9730Talk Sense

25 Jun 2013 10:28:40
Hey,
My wife has recently been forced to apply for jobseekers allowance, after being offered a job in the NHS in January, she lost the current job she was in through being the victim workplace bullying. Thinking the NHS job would start within the month, we weren't too worried. Last month she was forced to apply for JSA as she still hadn't got a start date for the NHS job (6 months later!). We got a letter from the DWP at the weekend, 3 weeks after application, telling her that she hadn't made enough NI contributions in 2011/2012 for JSA. At the time she was working roughly 40-48 hours a week for a little over minimum wage.
My point is this; have the UK government altered NI contributions for employers, with the sly intention of knowing that on the minimum wage or slightly higher, you have no chance of qualifying for benefits should you find yourself out of work, thus "saving" the country the expense of an inflated benefits bill?
To add insult to injury, the Job Centre still expected her to travel 6 miles round trip to sign on, for no money. It's a joke.

{Ed033's Note - That's terrible and it shouldn't be that way.

On a side note, I think some people need to move away from JSA and look at tax credits instead. By starting a private business (sell stuff on ebay?) and working 40 hours a week on it (watch less tv?) you may be able to claim tax credits as you're probably a low fill time earner.

That way there's no signing on each week and no job interviews/form filling on a regular basis to get benefits, and if you get a job, you can stop the private business.

 

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You can ask them to review the situation, and you can check your own contribution record through the hmrc site and calculate yourself. But as you say if your partner was working 40-48 hrs per week they would have been making a contribution even on or near minimum wage they would have definitely paid some, unless the employer was paying cash in hand and there was no contribution recorded or n.i. paid via paye.

Supasub
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frankyscouser
Terrible that Khakipillowslip, my wife had similar hoops to jump in to, I urge anyone who is unsure about anything, the c.a.b is the best place to go to, the sly tories have cut funding to them so it will be near impossible to get sound advice for our benefit, that's a good idea ed about the tax credits with something like ebay.
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The Benefits System really sets my teeth on edge and hope your Wife gets it all sorted soon.

You should appeal the decision through your local Citizens Advice or usually your Council will offer some kind of Money Matters service.

I would also take advice on why she had to leave her previous employment, you cannot let bullies win. Bullies are often blissfully unaware of their own shameful abusive behaviour and will probably move onto someone else. She could have a case for some kind of constructive dismissal. ~ Mrs E
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Khakipillowslip
Firstly, thanks guys, you've all been awesome.
My Mrs has already appealed the dismissal and it was refused. She was dismissed for gross misconduct after a couple of tweets regarding how frustrated she was at work. These were in Dec last year and the staff who squealed had been involved a few months earlier in their lover being dismissed for being drunk at work. My wife was whistle-blower for that. It gets complicated, but this was basically revenge. Basically, there's no chance of a reinstatement.
The benefits thing grates on me. She very reluctantly applied for them as we've run out of things that we can car-boot to make up the shortfall. To be told no due to not enough contributions is the singularly most frustrating thing, when you can turn up as an asylum seeker, get granted benefits, it's irritating to say the least.
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