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Discussion #1492Talk Sense

21 Sep 2012 17:22:21
why is it all over the papers if somebody defrauds dss of a hm lets say a grand its a slight to human integrity and off to court you go, fine or jail but people in power i.e mps goverment officals blatantly steal off us and they call it exspenses or perks of the job, am a new poster , be gentle

 

I will call u be gentle since u never left your name,i will use a quote of one of my favorite movies,the rich have been "fking over the poor since time begun,always have been always will"
frankyscouse
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The laws are influenced by the rich, so they will always favour the rich.
The working class are deemed law breakers if they do pretty much anything at all that involves not paying someone something or taking something away from someone. Yes by such ways as theft but also if just by accident or without their prior knowledge. (anyone ever fell short on their income tax and witnessed the inland revenues reaction to this? lol)
Anyway, the big trick is to get rich and set yourself up as business. Once you have done this you can happily rob anyone of anything, pollute anything you want and avoid paying any fair share of taxes with a little forward thought and good advice. Safe in the knowledge that you can always point the finger of blame at somebody else, or quite simply resign and walk away without liability as 99 times out of 100 the law will always side with you. (Because your rich ofc) xD

Huws
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To; frankyscouse. i did leave name, its tam65!
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Sorry tam never seen it.
frankyscouse
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Im sorry tam65 but you didnt leave a name :P

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Discussion #1491Talk Sense

20 Sep 2012 22:16:43
wow i had no idea the bush family were so dodgy. Granddaddy bush backed the nazi's. Middle bush, well i knew he headed the cia but didn't know he was involved in a lot of funny cia stuff in the sixties. Then junior bush was just a puppet.

 

I think you meant to say muppet there mate
huddz red
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He meant muppet as bush jnr was doing as instructed when in office {Ed001's Note - aren't the muppets just puppets anyway?}
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Have you seen their pictures in their skull & bones societies when they were at colledge? They even have the swaztika on some of them, I never realised untill a few years ago the nazi movement was massive in the usa before germany.

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Discussion #1490Talk Sense

20 Sep 2012 22:07:04
Ed with the two police officers being killed recently, why do the government refuse to sufficiently protect and arm our police?
Jman {Ed001's Note - how do you mean? Giving them guns just meant that all the criminals then had to have guns, arming them is not the answer. They have plenty of protection.}

 

I'm not saying all police are over-zealous , but some i've come across i wouldn't trust with water-pistols.

JR
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Agreed i do feel for the families of the policewomen but how many cases of police have actually been shot and killed in say 50 years?i guess not many,it would open a can of worms if the the police were armed.
frankyscouse
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I have sympathy for the 2 officers who were shot but I would be very concerned if there were any knee jerk reactions.
How many cover ups would there be if the cops were suddenly armed and went round shooting innocent people? terrible terrible idea in my opinion. We already have armed response there is no need for any more cops walking round shooting people. Maybe its time the person in charge who sent 2 unarmed officers round there as a 'routine' call instead of the armed response team should take some responsibilty eh? No doubt in my mind that a major failure had occurd from this decision.

Huws
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In the recent past, police have proven they can't be armed. The classic case was Jean Charles de Menezes, the innocent Brazilian guy who was shot dead just after 7/7 London bombings. There are reasons police have an armed division.

If the police were to be armed, and that's a big if, the shouldn't have proper rounds. A rubber bullet can be just as effective. Some police are dangerous enough without a gun. I have lost count of the amount of times a copper has cut me up or damn near rammed me on the roads. Some think because they are police that they're above the law and that on its own is the most dangerous thing, it also give genuine police an extremely bad name.

Aaron
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O come on that shooting was to take away the lime light from the 7/7 bombings. And guess what it worked, to most of the media believers.
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Discussion #1489Talk Sense

20 Sep 2012 18:40:43
Quite old now but the Kony 2012 is just ridiculous, he's not been seen since 2006, there's been several Ugandans claiming he's dead and oil was found near Uganda just months before the video was made, opinions?
LP

 

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Discussion #1488Talk Sense

20 Sep 2012 11:49:57
Hi folks, I was just wondering about any potential cures for chronic illnesses that were being held back by the pharmaceutical companies. I was diagnosed with diabetes 16 years ago and the Doctor's back then believed a cure would b on the market within 10 years. Was this just a bit of miss guided optimism or is there something more sinister happening to make sure that we stay I'll and they keep the billions rolling in.

 

There is a cure although not readily available its a pancreatic beta cell transplant. and its not the pharmaceutical companies its the government who hold things up as they are not willing to pay for expensive cures when reasonably priced treatments are available. its all to do with economics and quality assured life years (qalys) etc. for example oral insulin has been available for a while now but its too expensive.
Gman {Ed001's Note - actually, you have it the wrong way round, they are not willing to provide a cure when expensive drugs can be used for years. Ask the guy who invented the cure for ulcers why it was blocked for so long.}
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I have to agree with ed, I've been on insulin for the last 16 years, surely if there is a cure then it would b cheaper than keeping me on insulin and the other 2 drugs I'm on, statin and ramapril, for the next 40 years. Andy T
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They don't expect you to live 40 years.
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The government are having a laugh when they say its too expensive for this and that! They have shelled out millions bailing out other countries and still they dont look after there own people, corrupt comes to mind! I bet they have had a cure for cancer for years now!
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If this sounds disrespectful in any way then I apologise profusely. The reason cures aren't handed out, in my opinion, is so that things like diabetes can keep people ticking over until their bodies start to slow down earlier than they should, with the hope the body won't stay strong for too long.

Again if that's offensive to anybody with diabetes I apologise. I don't mean it in an offensive way.

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Discussion #1487Talk Sense

19 Sep 2012 23:31:25
just watched the premier on the animal channel off mermaids being discovered not sure what to believe to be honest,2004 a load of whales were washed up on the beaches all over the world, whales being washed up is not strange as it has happened before but in 2004 it was a regular occurrence and it was following were the whales were migrating to ,everywhere were they were washed up were navel/fbi officers cordoned off the beach and taking something like bodybags,one thing is for sure the navy were using sonic bursts that scared or killed the wales,a lot of the stuff was hard to believe , will let everyone make there own minds up,
frankyscouse

 

Program was complete fiction mate, along the lines of that dragon program a few years back where they made it as a documentary and a 'what if they existed' type work of fiction.

I quite like those programs though, something different!

RED_SKY
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Yeh mate it seemed a bit ott the thing that got me thinking thou was the presence of the us navy every time the whales beached .
frankyscouse
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Sorry franky, I didn't read properly, thought you were asking about mermaids, haha! The sonar/dead whales thing is interesting,have you ever heard of the 'Bloop'?

If not, look it up, I'm in work so can't refresh my memory but if I remember rightly, scientists in some vast ocean detected the bloop/sonar of some gigantic creature way bigger than any whale.

Could it have been unknown weaponry being tested?

RED_SKY
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Deffo testing something red,the whales internal organs were according to scientist smashed to pieces as they tried to get away from the new type of sonar they were testing,the thing was it was killing something else hence which the authorities cordoned off areas and interrogated a few people on what they saw.
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Discussion #1486Talk Sense

19 Sep 2012 23:09:01
Apologies but got a bit of keyboard diarrhoea, just watching exorcist, does anybody actually believe in them? Or have a different theory/previous experience ed/anyone?

Supasub

 

I personally believe that angels deamons and ghosts are inter dimensional beings and that we do have a soul that passes to the next dimension hence the reason we lose wieght when we die. i do not belive there is a god and devil per say but maybe someone/thing that sorts out where souls go. ive had a few beers so forgive the rambling.
hudd redd
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I believe in theres something alien out there, somewhere, certainly. Ghosts and spirits on the other hand I find difficult to believe are anything other than the product of imagination and fables.

Huws
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Could the weight not be attributed to the loss of energy in the form of heat, electrical, air escaping from our lungs ect.
Andrew {Ed001's Note - cooling down would make the body heavier, not lighter, as would air leaving the lungs.}
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Discussion #1485Talk Sense

19 Sep 2012 22:36:02
supasub and ed1 thats the point i was trying to make. Its not the fault of the frontline staff in public services its the fault of the management. The management is poor. Its chaotic, badly run. People i work with are complaining how the schools are messing their kids around with staff changes. I myself wasn't too happy with my recent a and e experience. There are many more. I do not blame front line teachers, nurses and police and these problems are not restricted to just public services. Look at how the banks are ran. I just think that its too much of a coincidence that virtually everything around from schools to the health service to the banks and so on are so badly ran by persons that screw things up to the detriment of the people. This mismanagement of the country goes back to thatcher and continued under blair. I'm just saying its surely not an accident that things are ran so badly. Its common sense to cut waste, unnecessary paperwork and spend money on whats needed but they never do it. Why? There's too many vested interests by the establishment in milking the system instead of doing the best they can for the people and instead front line staff take the blame.

 

Apologies, just giving an opinion based on my own experience. I run a business that employs approx 30 people and I admit I just look at the bottom line first and the cost of everything before I consider how the employee's are. There I've said it and I think alot of other private/plc business's are the same. My intention is always good but my actions/management is pretty bad.

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Discussion #1484Talk Sense

19 Sep 2012 22:20:36
to the guy (?) asking about jfk, sinatra, monroe and the mafia if the editors can't help i will put some stuff up tomorrow evening. Mort {Ed001's Note - I have nothing online regarding any of those, me mam would be better to ask, she has hundreds of books on those subjects.}

 

There is a theory I have seen somewhere that JFK had divulged to Marilyn Monroe that he'd seen "things from outer space" and that he was going to tell the people of their existence and the rest as they say is history! Not saying its true but I do like the theory!

Supasub
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He was like many others past and present killed by the ILLUMIANTI.
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Ok couple of bits i youtubed

youtube.com/watch?v=9Q22tyH3-Q0 does only focus on the tsbd building but does show the (deliberately?) sloppy investigation of the crime scene.

youtube.com/watch?v=l6j7QF0CBUo&feature=related ok bit odd but very different haven't heard this one before. Worth reading just the posters comments some very interesting stuff which as i say i'd never heard before, i think its a bit banana's but also disturbing, i do think that family had some sort of involvement....

I've also copied this from one of the replies as it goes with what the guy originally asked.

"The mob killed Kennedy because JFK had Marilyn Monroe killed. She wanted to be Mrs.JFK. JFK had the same doc as Sam Giancona and Frank Sinatra. MM(also friends with Frank Sinatra). JFK had the doc prescribe sleeping pills that were 4 times the dosage.They didn't tell her this, so it looks like an accidental OD. The mob finds out and has kennedy killed in public."

There are literally millions of words out there in print and thousands of hours of footage, we will never know the truth i think.

Mort
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Do a search for the real zap ruder film

The one where the driver puts a bullet in his head
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The thing to be aware of about this incident is the papers held by the FBI related to it are released into the public domain after 70 years. So we should have a better understanding of what really happened around about 2033 xD

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Discussion #1483Talk Sense

19 Sep 2012 18:31:48
this is a conspiracy but there's a bit of a build up so bear with me. Wherever i go, at work, the pub, travelling around, listening and talking with friends and colleagues or casually listening to strangers conversations once the humdrum daily stuff of the sport or soaps or which celebrity is doing what to who conversations always turn to what matters to people. Their lives and their families. People talk about their kids, their elderly relatives. And no matter what its always the poor services received. Whether its schools, hospitals or the council it always comes down to the level of service is poor. And it always comes down to everything is poor due to bad management. Now my question is this: is everything in this country deliberately ran poorly? No matter which colour runs things blue or red its always the same poor services whilst screwing you over on stuff like petrol. So it must be deliberate. Hope that makes sense.

 

I don't necessarilly agree with the service's bit. My wife is a staff nurse and as far as I'm concerned the majority of them do a great job. The problem is they are target driven, scrutinised and sometimes prosecuted for making mistakes and get frequently verbally and physically abused.
The same can be said for schools and the police to some extent. What I don't agree with is when they complain of lack of funds like the police when driving top of the range/ modified german fleet cars instead of british cars (if there are any left?) and in both the police force and NHS people at the top earning £150kpa to £250k+ pa some of which have no true experience in the actual proffession. Then I meet policemen and teachers who just do the best within the parameters they are given.
Community spirit and family life will get stronger one day hopefully but I fear it will just continuously dwindle away. Thats life i suppose...where's the vino tinto?

Supasub {Ed001's Note - I think more to the point is that nurses and the like are no longer doing the job they should be doing. They are drowning in paperwork, which is stopping them from actually nursing etc.}
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Personaly i thnk because we are all told that we are in recession and prices rise (petrol, etc,etc) it crates a negativity and that negativity spreads so more people moan and bitch, whereas if we were not in recesseion and things were good then people would be more positve. i suppose i people dont exactley realise what they already have and just be happy with that - it is much easier to moan.
huddz red
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Your right ed, the amount of forms they have to fill in just for someone new on the ward being assessed, ethnic belief questions, h&s questions...you know the rest, they are more journalists than nurses now.

Supsub {Ed001's Note - a nurse should be nursing and not pushing a pen round a desk, it is just wrong.}
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Ed001 u got it bang right there. My mum has been a nurse for nearly 40 years and she said the paperwork in the last 5 years alone has increased 10 fold. Nurses should nurse and if there is paperwork to be done, surely the ward clerk should have it done. I'm proud of what my mum has done for her profession, and the majority of patients that pass thru are complimentary towards her and her colleagues. The ones that let them down are the ones behind desks that are paid stupid money to make bullsh*t decisions and the government.

Aaron
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I predict a future where your fuel prices will be directly dependant upon your willingness to "sign up" to stores or services in return for discounted fuel. I am not on about money off coupons here, I am talking about you having to hand over your name and address, phone number car reg etc etc which people always do to save 10 pence here and there. This will be done to ensure you are loyal to the store offering the service/fuel and it will be possible to monitor each and every persons direct fuel usage and use this to set prices accordingly.
I wait patiently for the day when people realise its their own lazyness thats being used against them in this system to rip them off. Park up the cars, vans and lorries and start using the feet you were born with to get around. I bet fuel prices would miraculously manage to come down then eh? This could apply to most things around us. Anyone think they are paying to much for their television subscriptions these days? The trouble is you see, your still paying it. While you carry on paying their over inflated prices, they'll carry on charging them.

Huws
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Discussion #1482Talk Sense

19 Sep 2012 16:46:25
right this is a question to all football supporters,with the Liverpool man u game coming up and the threat of united fans marring the 96 do you feel that football has gone more global since the introduction of the epl that you get a hell of a lot more floaters(floaters meaning not born within the city) and try to sing dodgy songs to prove there worth?,i am in my 40s and am ashamed to say i sung the Munich song when i was a kid on the kop(to be honest at the time i never really understood it) and i was ignorant,as i grew older i realized what the song meant and never sang it again,then hysel and Hillsborough happened and to my knowledge its never been sung at anfeild again,i have just read something this guy from Manchester has wrote basically Manchester and Liverpool are pretty much alike ,socialism/working class/hate the government and feel the media has a love in with anything southern based,lets get one thing clear i can not stand Manchester united , i hate them, my dad did and i cringe when they win something,do i respect them as a club?i would be a Muppet if i said no,of course you have to respect them and red nose and the footy they play,do i hate everyone from Manchester? no in fact i have met a few good lads from salford that are bitter man u fans ,so why the dodgy songs still being sung?my conclusion is you have prob a minority off bellends locally singing the songs and the out of towners eager to fit in to there club joining in with the songs,time for genuine fans to out them.
frankyscouse

 

I totally agree with you, great post, there will always be a small minority that shame every club unfortunately , where I come from I have a lot of friends who support man utd and some mention we are murderers meaning what happened in heysel all those years ago in 85 and meaning hillsborough etc..... It saddens me that people still go on and on about it! Whats even worse is some use to support liverpool when they were young........Liverpool and man utd are very alike in a lot of ways, more than people realise.....I hate man utd as much as the next guy but you have to respect them as a
club

Andy
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Firstly any person who disrespects the victims of Hillsborough is not a true fan and i am ashamed that they would in anyway be associated with my club and anyone caught doing it should get a life ban for all stadiums. End of.

As a club we have experienced tragedy, with the aircrash and should be standing shoulder to shoulder with our neighbours, especially given the similiarities between the cities as Franky said. Our cities have contributed so much to the culture of this country, virtually all the best bands come from one or the other city.

However the rivalry kicks in and this rivalry is always stirred up by the London based media in order to keep us from uniting together.

The sad thing is a lot of fans do not know the clubs history. The '58 side exists only in black and white photo's and a few clips of film. Most don't know our greatest manager played for Liver pool (and City) back in the 30's. Most do not know the role Liverpool played after the crash.

I'll admit like Franky (but from the opposite viewpoint) that you are not my favourite club and a couple of your players i downright detest, but your achievements have to be respected and i do respect you compared to the Cities and Chelsea's of this world and persons like John Terry.

In all any fan who is stupid or insensitive enough to do anything come match day please do not think that this is the general attitude of all United fans, they are very much in the minority. Please feel free to check out the messages on the United page.

Lastly good luck in your continuing efforts against the corruption and in finally bringing those responsible to justice and the truth.

Justice for the 96 for they will never walk alone.

Mort
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Franky I deffo agree with the media's soft spot for teh southern clubs. It's so infuriating. They can do nothing wrong. Like the Chelsea fans singing abuse about hisborough haven't hardly been reported at all. The John terry rascim row to me seemed so much less condemed than Suarez's. Just seems like everybody in todays society supports one of the London clubs
Jman
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Nice1 mort.
frankyscouse
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Yeah I agree with you Andy, there are a minority of man utd fans were I live and they chant murderers etc, it gets me all Angre inside n hurts so much but I just laugh it off, I think another good point is that quite a lot of man utd fans I know supported a different team pre 1992/93 etc, but that's football and everyone can support whoever they want to
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Discussion #1481Talk Sense

19 Sep 2012 16:46:11
Hi Guys, im a first time poster and massive fan of the site was just wondering if anyone could push me in the direction of where to start on the relationships of Frank Sinatra, Marilyn Monroe and JFK and the links to mafia and deaths etc would be much appreciated or if any of you guys have any opinions especially as i heard of an exchange between jfk's dad and sinatra following the election just cant find a source to prove it

 

Try google it mate
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Not sure, Ive also heard loads that sinatra was "well in" with the maffia, even my granddad told me that and he's 92! JFK in my opinion was killed because he was going have the govenment print dollars backed by silver (fact), and he was starting to talk publicly about secret societies

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Yes your right owners of the federal reserve who are Illuminati decided he had to go or their paper money debt project would of been killed off.
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