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07 Mar 2012 20:43Discussion #916Talk Sense

07 Mar 2012 21:19:22
I posted a video on here a couple of days ago...just as a follow up, here is a video which CNN was reporting on about Syria...it shows how the mainstream media is lying about what is going on in Syria and how they are falsely reporting this propoganda!

PmacC

www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8FtMfUNZjw

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07 Mar 2012 17:32Discussion #915Talk Sense

07 Mar 2012 18:28:50
Ok, Im now convinced, no one has walked on the moon. Forget about the flag and the shadows or cameras etc, the dust kicked up from the tyres of the buggy goes up then down due to gravity. If they were on the moon it would keep going diagonally upwards. Look for it on videos. What do other posters think ?

Matt_RFC

07 Mar 2012 18:41

Tough one to call! I seen a video where a guy made an exact duplicate in the nevada desert! Shot with the same camera! Couldn't tell the difference! Makes you wonder why we haven't been back??

Runcorn Red!

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07 Mar 2012 19:26

I reckon the main reason we haven't been back is simply politics. The economic investment in such a project is monumental, and once it was done (which I personally think it was), there was no need to go back on a whim.

As the Soviets and China/India are now focussing more on Mars, it has followed that the USA's latest extravagant venture (forgetting the catastrophic JWST) is an attempt to blow all their competitors' efforts out of the water.

If the Moon was filled with oil they'd be [back] there in a heartbeat!

Rikki

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08 Mar 2012 10:03

The moon is apparently abundant in Helium3 which is an energy source and therefore valuable.
I would agree that the moon landings that we have seen are possibly fake, and done so to create conspiracy theory due to the monuments and structures found there, but do not disbelieve for one second that we have not been to the moon.
NoneTheWiser

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07 Mar 2012 16:29Discussion #914Talk Sense

07 Mar 2012 17:27:04
Kony the most wanted man right now i think so

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06 Mar 2012 18:12Discussion #913Talk Sense

06 Mar 2012 19:11:13
Book Claims Adolph Hitler Died In Argentina

Grey Wolf: The Escape of Adolf Hitler

Short Sky interview with the author
http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16090144

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06 Mar 2012 12:33Discussion #912Talk Sense

06 Mar 2012 13:30:48
So Putin rigged the election.

06 Mar 2012 21:09

Yes he also personally lead the investigastion into the Polish prez's plane crash which was like letting the fox lead the investigastion into who raided the chicken coup. Shady oil barron, one of many.

Matt_RFC

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06 Mar 2012 22:15

I heard the reson for the plane crash was because Polan said they were going to stop buying US Treasury Bonds and the plane crash was a warning any thoughts ed?

Lurgan Red

{Ed033's Note - It's obvious that never would all the top political people in a country ever fly on 1 plane but that is what happened to the polish top political people. It was an obvious assassination of these people on this flight. They were assassinated because they weren't playing ball. They were doing things that might actually benefit the people of Poland, one of which was not taking out huge international loans that they didn't need. I agree with you it was a warning to tell the new polish government to get with the program or else.}

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07 Mar 2012 10:13

I looked into this extensively at the time, he was blocking gas pipeline, a joint German Russian massive project to line the pockets of the elite look it up. The company was Nord Stream. It was to get Russian gas from the baltic sea to Germany by going through Poland. This was being blocked by Poland and causing a bit of a pain for the wealthy russian families who dont take no for an answer. Anyway hey presto they all get killed and Russia invited them all to the ceremony which was for Polish lives lost in WW2 in Russia. Not a conspiricy just purely a coincidence, leaders of countries have never been removed because of the earths natural resources ---- surely not ??? Ha !

Matt_RFC

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05 Mar 2012 23:03Discussion #911Talk Sense

05 Mar 2012 23:43:58
quick question on the masons. I've heard of both the scottish and york rites but who's this p2 thats been mentioned on here a couple of times in the last few days?

{Ed033's Note - P2 is a former Masonic lodge known as Propaganda Due, or P2, a lodge originally formed by the Italian Grand Orient as a lodge of research.

The Vatican, the P2 Masonic Lodge, and the Mafia pt.1/5

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05 Mar 2012 18:52Discussion #910Talk Sense

05 Mar 2012 17:15:10
Hey ed , whats your opinion on , the whole 2012 , 21/12/12?

{Ed033's Note - The precession of the Equinoxes is recognised by "scientists" at the moment as being around 25,900 years. This is the number of years it takes for the sun to go around the 12 zodiac constellations. However as a side note, this number maybe incorrect because this precession appears to be speeding up, which is perplexing the "scientists". A possible reason for the speeding up of the precession could be because this solar system is most likely a binary star system and when the other sun starts to approach this solar system, the forces between the 2 stars causes our solar system to speed up it's journey around the 12 zodiac constellations. So the number of years maybe closer to 24,000 years or this is not the case and precession varies for an unknown reason between 23000 and 27000 years. So the starting place for this precessional year count is where the sun lines up directly with the centre of the Milky Way galaxy i.e the sun conjuncts with the galactic equator.

Apparently on 21 December 2012 the sun will end this precessional cycle and start again, like it has done for possibly millions of years. Some people refer to this as the Mayan long count. So possibly all 21 december 2012 is, is that the sun has completed another cycle through the zodiac constellations and is going to start a new cycle around the 12 zodiac constellations.

At the moment I don't see anything out of the ordinary happening on that specific day.}

05 Mar 2012 21:58

"this solar system is most likely a binary star system" - I would love to read the evidence for this assertion please, Ed033. The notion of a planet maintaining a steady orbit and developing a biosphere over 5by in a binary system is a bit misguided. Some of the largest orbital periods of binary stars are only on the scale of hundreds of thousands of years (e.g. Proxima and Alpha Centauri). If Earth were to receive the inevitable gravitational 'knock' so frequently it is likely that mass extinctions would occur much more frequently than every few hundred million years.

You put speech-marks around the word "scientists" like they don't exist, or aren't really scientists. Can you explain this?

Rikki

{Ed033's Note - Rikki, You might have to get up to speed before coming on here. This web site maybe a bit too advanced for your current level of knowledge. A good place to start is http://www.richplanet.net/starship.php scroll to the bottom and watch all the video interviews.}

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06 Mar 2012 15:48

Here's a site for Walter Cruttenden one of the main researchers and exponets of our Sun being part of a Binary system

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org

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07 Mar 2012 00:49

Ed033 - you are one fine troll! After your "this web site maybe a bit too advanced current level of knowledge" bit, I scrolled down and found this:

"They need to hurry up and find this "god particle" the hicks bozon if thats spelt correctly ? The nutters will just say "Ah but who made the hicks bozon, must have been god" I can see it now...."

I really fail to spot your logic here. Your riposte reminds me of something I read:

"But arguing with religious people is like playing chess with a pigeon - they knock over the pieces, defecate on the board and then fly away back to their friends to brag about their victory." - You have made no attempt to enter into rational discussion of your ideas. Rather, you have tried to insult my intelligence by ignoring my very valid questioning of your clearly flawed assertions, presumably to divert the attention from said flaws. The presentation of videos on a conspiracy website is evidence of the same calibre as the bible. (n.b. I couldn't even get past the bit at the start of the video recapping the latest news, it was that dreadful).

I am not here to enter into debates on the current paradigm in crazy conspiracies, but when I see clearly misguided interpretations of science and scientists I try to correct them. I will happily back up any of the assertions I have made with empirical, peer-reviewed data. The kind of stuff you can replicate to check it's not contrived to distract the masses.

Rikki {Ed001's Note - empirical, peer-reviewed data told us for years that margarine was healthier than butter, even though that was a complete lie. To suggest that anything you could produce is in anyway more or less reliable than any thing anyone else could produce is arrogant nonsense. Scientists spend most of their time fitting their data into patterns that suit the major company paying them to do the research. Hardly a trustworthy group, just like the conspiracy theorists that are coming out with theories to make their living. By the way, I fail to see on what basis you are asserting that mass extinctions must take place more frequently. You do realise that you, or anyone else for that matter, know very little about anything, we have such huge gaps in our knowledge that you cannot make any kind of assertion like that. Reality has a way of proving that the impossible is possible.}

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07 Mar 2012 19:40

Ed001 - you forget to mention the mountain of empirical literature that is proven correct time and time again (i.e. quantum theory, evolution by natural selection). They very nature of the Scientific Method - to conduct repeatable experiments that produce as unambiguous a dataset as possible - means it is the most reliable form of research.

Sitting back and picking holes in what has been achieved by society (which is basically what conspiracy theorists do) has not led to Darwinian medicine, traditional medicine, or even to the development of modern technology. These advances, on which we so heavily rely, are based on sound scientific evidence, discovered and developed using the Scientific Method. Hence my "arrogance" (I feel Ed033 set the tone) when discussing the reliability of evidence. Although there are undoubtedly shady corporations that influence the direction and impetus of some scientific research, the majority of science works and produces results. Hence my bafflement at the general distrust of it on here. When ill, any sane man turns to a medically-trained doctor, and I'm pretty sure you don't think internet fairies transport our information across the world wide web.

I think what I'm trying to say is: throughout history it is science and its method that has produced advances and results which indicate its reliability. Discrediting science has not.

finally, I apologise for my arrogant tone. If you place "as far is understood..." in front of everything I have asserted, my actual tone will come across. I'm no "keyboard warrior".

Thanks

Rikki {Ed001's Note - quantum theory has been proved time and time again? Are you for real? It is referred to as a theory because it is far from proven, just like evolution. There are as more holes than evidence to support both, now that could well be simply because we don't know enough. But, either way, there is no real proven facts in science, it evolves all the time as we fill in those gaps and find our old beliefs turn out to be complete nonsense. That is why your arrogant statements about proven facts are just laughable. We know virtually nothing about the world around us, even less about the oceans and even less again about the universe. To suggest that something can't be true because it doesn't fit with what we know, well it's simply ridiculous. It might well be a load of tosh, but you only have your opinion it is based on a knowledge base that is extremely limited by the fact that humanity has almost no knowledge. So to come on shouting about how it can't possibly be true because you don't know about it, it seems a little silly and arrogant to suggest we know enough to discount things. The problem with most theories are that scientists have a tendency to try and fit facts around their favourite theory, rather than try and find the theory that best fits what they know.}

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07 Mar 2012 22:24

Ed001 - the only facts I have stated is that we are having this conversation using devices that are based on the principles of quantum mechanics. If it was wrong your computer would not work, neither would your mobile phone. If evolution was wrong we wouldn't have been able to develop antibiotics. While it is true that nothing in science is 'fact', there are things that are accepted beyond reasonable doubt.

The fact that we have orbiting satellites, mobile phones and medicine, all of which are underpinned by science, is the only evidence needed to show it works. This is my only issue. What's laughable is that you are using a device based on our understanding of physics to debase our understanding of physics. If science is so fatally flawed I'd beware next time you fly/drive/jump/use a microwave - God knows what might happen!

Rikki {Ed001's Note - not true, just because some parts of it are correct, that does not mean the overall theory is correct. It might well be right, but until we know everything, we can't prove that it is a fact. We can only say to the best of our knowledge that is how it works. You're clutching at straws there with the fly/drive/jump etc rubbish, just because we can do something doesn't mean we have to understand how or why. That is a pathetic argument and holds no water.}

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05 Mar 2012 12:39Discussion #909Talk Sense

05 Mar 2012 13:27:44
Hey, new to posting on here but I thought I'd give it a go :) What I'm writing about isn't really a conspiracy, just clearing things up!
1st thing is, the legal age of consent in the Vatican city is 12 for a reason! when they became independent, they chose to live by some rules previously set in Italy. Obviously, the laws in Italy became more up to date with time passed, and they raised the age first to 14, and then to 16 which it is now. It did not change in the Vatican city because it is not relevant, when you consider the population is made up of people who mainly vow to be celibate! a similar thing happened here in the UK, with it only becoming illegal to own a slave in 2010! it just wasn't relevant anymore and was simply over looked!
2nd, people talking about Noah! it actually states in the bible that 2 of each filthy beast go on board his ark and 7!!!!!! of each clean beast go on board. The animals deemed to be clean are listed in Leviticus and I believe are similar to Jewish kosher laws! so the task handed to Noah was actually larger than you think! however, I don't think this is reason enough to start talking about ETs taking animal DNA, i think both are as unlikely as each other and that the story should just be forgotten ( I would like to point out at this point, that I am catholic!)
3rd, it's not really important, but why would Michelangelo think to leave out the belly button? to my knowledge, which I admit is limited, cloning wasn't a concept back then, so I don't fully understand why they'd think to leave out the belly button, especially if it was based on man as they had seen it. just a thought! to paraphrase peter hitchens, any religion is better than no religion, so people on here shouldn't try and destroy the faith that some people do hold on to. I myself sit on the fence, as a lot of the bible is obviously bunk and has been disproved by science! But for every how science has given us, it leaves open the question of why? which is why i think god still has a role to play in life yet!

a note to leave on. If human beings evolved from life that used to dwell in the sea, does that mean people who are good at swimming are less evolved?

tinhead x

05 Mar 2012 14:13

" which is why i think god still has a role to play in life yet! "

There is no god . There is no proof of existence of any god . The only claimed proof is found in multi-millenia old fairy stories , written by semi-literate tribesman .

Beliefs are just ideas that have gone bald .

jimi88

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05 Mar 2012 18:04

"But for every how science has given us, it leaves open the question of why? which is why i think god still has a role to play in life yet!"

A brilliant example of the old "God of the gaps" rhetoric! The thing is, these gaps get smaller every century. Hopefully it won't be too long until religion is no longer able to oppress women, homosexuals etc.

But hey, "any religion is better than no religion"...all those bloody Atheist terrorists!

Rikki

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05 Mar 2012 18:12

Same time though you cannot disprove that God/s don't exist.

Also if you actaully knew what you were on about you'd realise that most of the religious texts in the world were not written by semi-literate tribesmen.

As someone else pointed out a lot of creation myths in many religious texts go abck to Sumer and they definitely were not "semi-literate tribesmen"

If people want to believe in God/s then up to them, science hasn't disproved or proved anything yet, the jury is still out. Even the scientists admit that as they are all still arguing with each other.

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05 Mar 2012 18:52

Science's aim is not to disprove God, it is to better understand the World and Universe around us. Just because something can not be disproved does not mean it might exist (Russell's Teapot is the classic example).

Further, something that is impossible to disprove must, by definition, have no observable influence on the Universe at any point in its past or future.

Rikki

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05 Mar 2012 19:32

tinhead, how can u say it's not relevant about the age of consent when catholic priest's, which now must be numbering in the thousand's, have been caught raping and abusing children all over the world. I'm not anti catholic, ( i have lived in Ireland and spain and found the people in both country's brilliant ) and there is no way the same thing is not happening in other religions, but for it to be 12 in the first place is shocking. Masons are luciferian, so why is the most powerful lodge in the world situated in the Vatican( P2 ). Have a look on youtube at the present pope shaking Tony Blair hand, and tell me this is not a mason's hand shake. My opinion is that the catholic church is more than they are letting on.

Again i'm not having ago at catholic people, the 2 most decent thing's anyone has ever done for me was by catholic people and i will never forget that. Given that the new world order has just about taken over the world and are about to destroy religion as we know it and most are masons, there must be more to the catholic church than we know, or i Know at present. Anyone got any answers !

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04 Mar 2012 21:52Discussion #908Talk Sense

04 Mar 2012 22:52:30
Very good and informative video about what is going on in Syria right now...people need to know what is really going on...serious amount of evil people in powerful positions in this world!

Enjoy the video!

PmacC

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgaQwn2S9g

04 Mar 2012 23:04

Great link pmacC.
frankyscouse

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04 Mar 2012 23:09

No problem franky!

PmacC

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05 Mar 2012 18:12

Its six of one and half a dozen of the other, they are both as bad as each other, and who knows whats going on over there. Any or all of this footage from both sides could be faked.

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04 Mar 2012 19:48Discussion #907Talk Sense

04 Mar 2012 20:46:30
any good vatican theories?

04 Mar 2012 22:11

I heard the Pope lives there....... UNDERCOVER ELEPHANT.

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04 Mar 2012 19:43Discussion #906Talk Sense

04 Mar 2012 20:41:30
Because the Vatican is its own law. With the child age of sex they would probably make up so
E mad name for it like that kindoku, say the believe in it ans walk away Scott free Like their the ones being picked on. the vaticans moto must be the grad on wicket.

Delboy

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04 Mar 2012 19:43Discussion #905Talk Sense

04 Mar 2012 20:39:13
Andrew Breitbart dies on the day he was going to release a Video that was going to be very bad for Obama election bid.

05 Mar 2012 08:18

Explain more? Somone

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05 Mar 2012 08:24

{Ed033's Note - Targeting Of Key Patriots on Enemies List?

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05 Mar 2012 18:12

Its all a bit Jason Bourne!

Wouldn't be surprised if that was actually a true story.

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