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Discussion #278Talk Sense

06 Oct 2011 23:18:54
Guys this is not really a conspiracy, this is what I think happened at Shanksville. I have no supporting texts but just my thoughts.

In Pennsylvania is a U.S fema camp (Camp Hill) this was apperently being renovated early in 2001. In case that some disaster happened the population could be supported. Would it not make sense to land the plane at camp hill which does have a landing strip of 1.8km. Remove the passengers, make use of the facility to see how they would cope if such an event where to happen. Then to fly the plane to the spot at shanksville and then blow it to pieces. The reason I suggest an explosion is that there were thousands of very little pieces. and a creator. this usually means an explosion. aslo the fragments that were recovered were displaced in a circle.

What do you guys think? and yes I might have a vivid imagination.

TReVoR

 

You know this a Conspiracy forum right!
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Trevor i'm not going to discount that, something happened with that plane and that makes a lot of sense to me. {Ed033's Note - The small pieces of debris at Shanksville were allegedly spread over several miles. This would be more consistent with a plane being blown up in the air rather than on the ground. The crater on the ground could have been dug with a digger and random debris dumped into the hole using a dump truck.}
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A plane shot down either by air to air or surface to air missiles would leave large recognisable debris. Also, a plane blown up by onboard explosive would leave the same easily identifiable debris despite the distance the debris is spread over. It would never be reduced to small pieces. You only need to look at Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie.

Quite simply, there is no downed plane or passengers in or around Shanksville.

Paragon
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Flight 93 MUST have been diverted and landed safely elsewhere. What of the passengers? God only knows.

Interestingly, Flight 93, tail number N591UA was deregistered on 28th September 2005 and listed as cancelled.

Under Federal law, you are obliged to inform the FAA as to the status of a registered aircraft. In this case it would be going through the motions to obtain a death certificate if you like!

Flight 93 (Shanksville) and 175 (South tower) listed as CANCELLED 4 years later.

Flight 11 (North tower) and 77 (Pentagon) deregistered 14th January 2002 - DESTROYED

See the problem here? A plane flown into a tower and seen on TV is still around until 2005 and a plane flown into the pentagon but no one saw it is struck off in 2002.

Paragon
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And another point, American Airlines and United Airlines allegedly lost aircraft at the World Trade Centre. How can their planes be deregistered so far apart and how can one be DESTROYED and one CANCELLED if they suffered the same fate on the same day as we are told?

Paragon
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Discussion #277Talk Sense

06 Oct 2011 22:07:25
"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." This is an actual quote from bin laden after the 911 attacks...another piece of evidence to add to the pile!!
PmacC

 

Bin Laden has always denied the 9/11 attack, doesn't mean he did not know about it, maybe he did maybe he didn't.

How many people that are thought to be involved in an incident say Yeah, it was me, I done it. Not Many!

9/11 has so many shady things going on who can say for sure what happened and who is responsible for what and that's the way the power's that be like it.

There's always doubt and misunderstanding and slight of hand is the ally of the perpetrator.

The hidden hand
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Yeah...i agree mate...the thing is...if you were bin laden and trying to inspire extremists to turn on the west and you had just carried out an attack like that...theres no way you would deny any of it...hed be bragging about it...not denying any involvement!!
PmacC
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If I was Bin Laden and I had not done it I would not claim it as it would just look stupid to my immediate followers and my reason for fighting the west would look shambolic that's a good reason I think for bin Laden to be telling the truth. Another good reason for bin Laden telling the truth is that a high up Russian official said it could not be done by any terrorist organization becuse this part of New York airspace was protect by American fighter jets, and you needed special codes only available to the US defence forces to fly in this area, otherwise you would be shot down long before you reached the towers.

However if Bin Laden was on the american payroll as many suspect he could have had some back door involvement.

Another reason is that maybe by denying any involvement if he was responsible it would anger the americans more, who knows what actually occurred the only thing for certain is that there are more questions than answers.

Channel 4 had a programme not too long ago that investigated this incident with many experts giving their views and concluded it had no american involvement.

The hidden hand {Ed033's Note - Osama Bin Laden was CIA. He is also known as Tim Osman - www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Da9ghk-sk
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Discussion #276Talk Sense

06 Oct 2011 19:15:28
New docu coming out claiming proof of aliens.

uk.movies.yahoo.com/blog/article/260614/mexican-film-claims-proof-of-aliens.html

dmedly

 

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Discussion #275Talk Sense

06 Oct 2011 17:17:39
I just posted info supporting what I said a while back about Germany and the European economy. I read the last post and realised that i had included the beginning of the web address. Here it is again

www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Ex-BushAdviserGermanyPrintsOldCurrencyinCaseEuroDitched/2011/10/04/id/413225

Len

 

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Discussion #274Talk Sense

06 Oct 2011 17:14:26
Germany prints old currency in case the Euro is ditched

www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Ex-BushAdviserGermanyPrintsOldCurrencyinCaseEuroDitched/2011/10/04/id/413225#ixzz1Zqpe4umZ


Told you.

Len

 

I can't say that i am surprised sounds like the usual duplicitious stuff they do. {Ed033's Note - Greece it appears will default on their debt - blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100109242/when-exactly-will-greece-default/ so there could be another Euro crisis then.}
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Think I mentioned a few weeks about Greece defaulting. The country is crippled. Saw something earlier on bbc sport that they had only sold 10,000 tickets for the upcoming Croatia game, the Greek FA were hoping to shift 25,000. Obviously people are having to save cash for when the crash comes. Mort. {Ed033's Note - Nigel Farage in the European Commission on Greece - www.youtube.com/watch?v=pry5iL4TIa8
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Discussion #273Talk Sense

06 Oct 2011 16:49:20
A couple years back england faced russia in russia needing a point when wayne rooney gave away a stupid late peno? Y was he back in his own box? Was he helping his dad in a betting scam or are the headlines in 2nyts papers just making me a little paranoid!

C m sucks

 

Thats a great conspiracy

Real life changing
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Rooneys father betting scandal is going to change your life please tell us how?
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Discussion #272Talk Sense

06 Oct 2011 14:50:29
I read in a artical recently that Nic Cage the actor is a a Vampire

Does anyone know or care?

 

Heard he sucked the blood of lisa marie presley and left her all shook up

A ha ha
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I heard recently that Nic cage is an actor. Now there's a conspiracy.

Len {Ed001's Note - having watched a number of films he featured in, I would have to dispute that actor rumour. It seems false to me......}
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He did make one good move

Con Air
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Hey the Rock is great, face/off was good too. snake eyes was alright. perfect friday night with the boys films. pizza and beers and good entertainment. not every film has to be some massive intellectual brain teaser. besides have you seen all the symbolism in his films.....? {Ed033's Note - I would suggest that the only reason Nic Cage made it as an actor is because he is within the 1% of the main royal line that the so called "elite" think is so special.}
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What was the film Nic Cage went around in sayin kill me, kill me, I'm a vampire (I left the cinema for that one)

Don't know the title of this film but maybe he was coming out of the closet

Wistful {Ed007's Note - It was Vampire's Kiss, a totally shocking film by all accounts. Cage's real name is Nicolas Kim Coppola, he is the nephew of Francis Ford Coppola and also Talia Shire (The Godfather and Rocky's wife), Which might have helped his career some what.}
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Discussion #271Talk Sense

05 Oct 2011 23:00:26
Just wondering why my last post didnt make it up,was it lost in the system or something?
PmacC {Ed001's Note - I didn't see it, did it have something that might have got caught up in the spam filters? Such as http:// which just gets swallowed up, if you are posting links it needs that bit removed to get through.}

 

Ah yeah...it did...cheers mate...will repost without that!! {Ed001's Note - glad the mystery is solved, it is a pain having to remove it, but it keeps all the cialis etc spam from coming through.}
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Discussion #270Talk Sense

05 Oct 2011 19:39:52
Earlier I was reading a very interesting article about the 911 terror attacks. The most wierd thing I found out was reagring the Pentagon. This is quite lenghty so bear with me.

On September 10th Donald Rumsfeld was at a conference where he explained that 2.3 Trillion US dollars were unaccounted for. Yes people 2.3 Trillion. He then explained a crack team of people will looking into where and why this sum was unaccounted for. Now all the accounts were held at the Pentagon, they were all paper so any accident at the most secure building in America could cause the documents being lost. On September 3rd 2001 a major overhaul of all the computers was required because of the fears that hackers could potentially cause havock. This is why the old computers were recycled and all documents printed.
The object that hit the Pentagon had hit the exact section of the building where all the documents resisded.

The object was defo not a plane. Air crash specialists bought to the scene said it was, there is not definitive proof of any plane. In a seperate document 10 of the best piolts in the states were asked, did they deem it possible to fly a craft at high speeds and at a low altitude 7/10 said no. All ten took flight simulators to see if they could make a plane act in the way the American government said it did. 0/10 could do it, some of the pilots had 30+ years of expieriance. when asked that if some one with 2 years under thier belt could do it 6/10 refused to comment.

Also every morning I go the Londis shop. This corner shop has 5 cameras inside and 2 out side all in HD. One of the world most securist buildings seems to have one. Now that seems really fishy.

On the news I still remember seeing a pristine lawn. This is very funny because no one can answer why the lawn was flawless. If a light flight helicopter land there is a disturbance of the grass. We are made to belive that a airoplane with two RRoyce engines, regarded as the best and most powerful engines for thier size in aviation history did not leave any marks. Thats just bull.

TReVoR

 

Ok assuming that i go with all that, and i'm discounting expert witness terstimony, it leaves 1 very big question:

What happened to the missing plane and people?
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Sorry meant to say that i don't discount the experts.
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Some conspiracy theorists belive that the plane and passengers went nowhere near the pentagon but served their purpose in this story and were disposed of elsewhere?

The hidden hand
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That would make sense to me. Personally, I believe that it was a missile that hit the pentagon, not a plane.
JQuan
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It was a drone aircraft, trust no one
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Discussion #269Talk Sense

05 Oct 2011 15:40:15
Has anybody read A New World Order by Anne-Marie Slaughter? If so do you have any feedback please? I have read the blurbs and it sounds as though she is totally advocating an NWO - i.e. instead of seeing where the world is headed and suggesting that this is not great at all BECAUSE it will result in NWO, she seems to suggest that with the NWO many problems will be solvable that otherwise would not be. That is the summary I have so far, if anyone is able to shed any more light that would be appreciated.

Raz

 

I think lots of good things would come out of it , as who would ever vote or let these powers in if there wasnt , but who would be in charge and decide things , would it make us safer , maybe - but less free with more rules and regulations.......lfc
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There are many people, organizations, writers, etc, that give false information relating to the Illuminati

Some pretend to be against the Illuminati

Others pretend the illuminati are mis-understood

Take you pick?

Many people that you find on youtube sprouting rubbish for or against the illuminati are to be trated with the greatest of suspicion otherwise you may fall prey to their trap, these people are often paid by the Illuminati.

The new world order is only a vision of the illuminati that they have moved away from!

This vision was the joining of America, Canada and Mexico into a new country with a new currency, working title, the Amero

One thing about the illuminati or the people who work for them is that they are not Stupid.

No one has them figured out?

the spiritualsits think they can make their own world here on earth - BS

Some religious groups think they can avoid them by cornering off sections of countries and keeping their patch under control - BS - it doesn't work

Nice thoughts about the perfect world and how things should work is BS even wiothout the Illuminati man's greed would never allow such a system to flourish

I could be wrong but I think and so do some eminent scholars that man is created evill and made good so there are a lot of hands for the devils work.

Sorry for going off topic a bit its being a long days driving

So finding out more about the NWO or illuminati through books MAY lead you down blind alley ways.

The enchanted one
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So basically your whole point, is read nothing, learn nothing, research nothing, do nothing.
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No Amigo that's not my whole point?

My whole point is to not accept at face value what you read and use common sense which is not all that common in taking in information.

Thank you for correcting me, I understand I did not make that point clearly enough I assumed most would have got that message from the post?

The enchanted one
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If the 3 monkeys work for you that is what you should do, although I don't think that is what he has written?
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Discussion #268Talk Sense

05 Oct 2011 13:44:06
Lfc I looked into Suge Knight... don't really know what I was looking for? I basically found that he didn't murder 2Pac, so I don't understand your response to that post from Biggie haha. As in, the concept of or not SK murdered 2pac is not relevant to whether or not he is still alive no?

Raz

 

Raz, if theres one man who knows who killed these two , its sk , pity biggie 2pac fell out , 2pac was a very smart guy as in knowing how the system works , govement , drugs , keeping the so called lower class in there place, interesting..........lfc
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Yeah true. So you reckon SK knows who killed Tupac? The only thing I really know is that Biggie and Tupac's beef was basically founded on nothing and there is no way one would ever have anything to do with having the other killed, that's about the extent of my 'knowledge'...
Raz
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My understanding of the 2pac/biggie thing is this , i think deep down 2pac and biggie knew very well there was a good chance they would end up dead , 2pac more so , while i dont think sk arranged the hit on 2pac as he was in the passenger seat and 13 shots were fired at the car, he was very much into the bloods gang , he manipulated a lot of the east/west coast thing , and i am sure he made a lot more money after 2pacs death , biggie was killed pretty much the same way , it would not be a big secrect on the streets who the hit teams were , and before anyone says -well the police would take them to court , its not that simple , you need hard evendice some of the hit gang members could be dead , or in prision or working for the fbi as imformers , after all 2 black gang members deaths wont cause the powers that be to look too far into it..........lfc
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Discussion #267Talk Sense

04 Oct 2011 15:11:55
Was Jesus an alien? Or half human on his mothers side ( Paul McGann quote as Dr Who by the way, he also claimed to be half human on his mothers side). Angles, bright lights in the sky, super human powers, miracles. Could we explain all this today, let alone 2000 years ago. Any one else with any input?

 

When you look at ancient texts , some stuff sounds like ufo s , people being able to walk though walls etc , yet being solid like us when they want to be , many of the ufos of the modern times seem to be able to change shape disappear at will and seem more like the ghost type of thing ,and defy our laws of pyhsics , very interesting , one thing is for sure if they wanted to reveal themselfs , they would and could , who knows whats coming in the future , who knows what advacment mankind will have 100s of years from now , could it be them visiting the past and interacting with us for the greater good..........lfc
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Yeah, Angles can easily be explained with maths, perhaps you mean Angels?
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Sorry i am suffer from dyslexia , sometimes get words numbers wrong etc , but its okay my iq is 961 ..........lfc
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Maybe your the alien cos the highest IQ was Physicist / Engineer Kim Ung-yong has a verified IQ of 210 and you 961
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I knew you would fall for that one lol.......lfc
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