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My point re an end to party politics was really a cry, maybe, for GB to become GBPLC with the best people in the highest positions competing for our country against the rest of the world instead of the in fighting we have against each other in the name of party politics. Just a thought, nothing more.
{Ed033's Note - Very valiant of you but the United Kingdom is probably still trading as a corporation but under a different name - www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/formation_and_disbandment_of_the

I think it was just Lennon being a practical joker. He knew people would be on this for years.

Yes Ed that would be a good step, but i wouldn't trust the current politicians or the current system to implement it. i think that the politics needs to be changed first in order to drive the economic and societal changes needed.

LOL fair enough. Ed I guess I'm just a sucker for those ones like Paul Elvis and there is even a mj one kicking about
{Ed033's Note - There is a Lord Lucan conspiracy but that one is true.}

I don't personally believe it myself its just one iv always liked if u play songs backwards u hear Msgs like pauls dead and the cover work with the clues on it and just some of the lyrics in there songs its always been one where i don't wish anyrhing bad to anyone but ud love it to be true ..... rfc man
{Ed033's Note - If you play any recording of spoken language backwards you will here something - reversespeech.com/home.htm

No Ed its not perfect but before changing it, change needs to be carefully considered lest we make things worse.

I'm not sure i could stomach President Blair and First Lady Cherie. God i've got chills thinking about it.

I think it needs to be in small steps. Getting rid of the whips and a more free voting system in Parliament would be a good first step.

{Ed033's Note - A good first step is to start moving towards mike montagne's mathematically perfected economy - www.perfecteconomy.com/wp/

But then ed surely thats more the system that needs changing and not the parties. Abolish whips, install an electronic voting system that just counts the votes and not who voted so they have a degree of anonymity and can vote with their conscience or in line with what their constituents have said.

If you abolish the parties then you lose the choice of candidate. How would you choose candidates with no party system? How could you even form a govt with out parties? You;d just have 600 odd independents trying to form a govt, who would be in charge?

Or do you favour Parliament becoming just a legislative body more liek the American House of Representitives? But then you'd need a body similar to the Senate, and you'd have the same problems of electing it. Would you have power in the hands of an executive like the President, but how do you choose him? Just have anyone who cna afford it throw their name in at an elcetion time and have them battle it out on the issues, no party lines? Would you like to see someone like Blair in a fight against a Murdoch backed figure?

Sorry if i've waffled on but their are a lot of permutations. {Ed001's Note - I didn't say I had all the answers, but the current system is certainly not a good one and it needs to be upgraded and improved.}

But how can you get rid of political parties? Sorry if i have misread that butt hats the impression i got when you meant the party political claptrap.

Also i assume that you mean the recent vote on that AV system. Well i for one voted against and am glad that it lost. It was desogned only to benefit the Lib Dems who knew they would pick up millions of 2nd votes and would have meant that they would have always had the power over whoever formed a govt. We would have had this coalition mess after every election. We would have ended up in as a bad a mess as Italy. 40 changes since 1946. Coalitions always provide weak govt. {Ed001's Note - parties do need to be abolished. Our MP is meant to represent the people of his/her constituency, but they are not doing that but instead representing their party. If ever they do decide to do the job they were elected to, whips come out and put a stop to it.}

Thats the problem with any kind of economic boycott, they've got you by the short and curlies, whatever you boycott you are going to need to go and buy it at some point, whether its a day, 2 days, a week or whatever.

The only thing we could do is all refuse to pay tax, like back in the poll tax riots. They couldn't imprison everyone after all. But there would still be a cost. Some people still thousands in unpaid tax don't they?

Completely false in my opinion.

Firstly, finding a scouse, slightly lookey likey, singer songwriter, left handed bass player is some job description.

Some of the photo comparisons i've seen that show a difference in appearance in a very short period of time could easily be the result of being a music star and all the trappings that go with it.

Constant recording, touring, publicity exercises, partying and very frequent use of recreational drugs would have a noticable effect on anyone.

Some of those i can vouch for!

Paragon
{Ed033's Note - I don't think there is enough evidence that Paul did die and was replaced. Here is supposedly a comparison picture but doesn't prove anything - www.talkconspiracy.co.uk/ar_6.php

Jr appreaciate what you mean fella, but they are behind the scenes manipulators and i was ore naming the up fron puppets. i did miss a few, Peron, Mugabe, etc etc. But true without the bankers they would be nothing.

Edd they dont work because we have never in history carried our actions out,so if it was a world wide strike and for instance they did raise the petrol prices the next day ,well then it would be two days of action against oil prices, pie in the sky you might think but its gonna take something like this that is peacefull or the other option a worldwide revolution ,i think most people would go the peacefull way.
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - people will still need to buy petrol, it will do nothing until people start changing over to other means of transport.}

I actually thought that when we voiced our opinion about the political frailities in our country that the politicians were having a vote on a new system. Suilly me. It was turned around by the politians to a vote a system on how we voted instead of an abolition of the party political clap trap that we all have to endure and all the party political nonsense that drags our country down. I'm not usually so dim but heyho, we all have bad days. Chugs

My solution is to get a internet campaign to forums like this to every nation around the world and for one day for every week NO ONE buys petrol, a big ask i know but it would be a small step in the right direction,you can even have a peacefull protest now like in new york or london,but if the word gets about striking once a week they cant make you buy petrol.
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - those kind of protests don't work though mate, because the day after more petrol than ever is bought because people need it. If you want to protest about oil, stop using your car altogether.}

Yes, just got back from widnes , where i swear it was 1970something.

jr

Bourgeois parlimentarianism, the highest state of society.
(No way)
Third World debt, Third World exploitation.
(Damn)
What a society we're living in,
(You're right, I.V.)
Selling Third World drugs at First World prices!
They say Lenin was wrong. Who says?
(That's right)
It's enough to give me the f**king blues.

I'm in no way advocating violence, but I truly feel that current power structure is constructed so that peacefull protest will prove ineffectual. The political infrastructure in the developed world can ignore protests because they do not impact change. This by design so that change can only come through violence; Therefore leading to a greater likelyhood that the majority of society will dismiss those calling for change as narrow minded hooligans. Also the powers that be know that idea of violence goes against everything those of us who really want change stand for. They have safeguarded themselves in a way that change can only be made through a sacrifice of one values and a continuation of the current cycle of harming others for ones own gain. I'm sure there is a way to impact change without such drastic measures but I stand inept to figure out what it is. However I do know that the tried and true means of the usual protests are inefectual and a new theory must be devised

Yeah jp morgan rockerfeller and rothchild

jr

Gadaffi had nothing to do with lockerbie !!

It is true that a 'lowly worker' is different in that he does not instigate the use of the arms he manufactures however without those arms the use thereof could not be instigated.

Also Ed001 I notice that your emphasis seems to be on Bush - no word on Clinton?

Puzzled {Ed001's Note - again, just as bad, if not worse because he tried to pretend to be better.}