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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 19:47
Yes mate. Maybe you mistook what I was saying so I elaborated above.
Peace.
Raz.
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 19:05
Ok cheers ed, in a bit of rush tonight so will try and finish them all tomorrow mort
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 19:05
Ok thanks for the reply.

I know socialism doesn't work, it failed in russia, 50 years of it have brought europe to the abyss, and look at labours track record here. but then capitalism has screwed up as well.

so what does work?

and if Putin was such a pain, why not take steps to remove him? could always scapegoat the chechens. {Ed033's Note - What may work is mike montagne's mathematically perfected economy - perfecteconomy.com/wp/
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 18:51
Welcome Moon looked at the bell stuff, certainly very strange.

Ed watching your links now will get back to you.

mort {Ed033's Note - Here is a project camelot interview with Dr. Joseph P. Farrell - www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wJboIFKCFU
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 18:51
Ok Ed 4 theories then.

1. What happened was true and he was tracked to Pakistan and killed.

2. He was tracked to pakistan, captured, with a fake kill notice, and since been interrogated and disposed of.

3. He was a cia operative who needed to be retrieved and debriefed so they could get his intell.

4. He actually died years ago and this was covered up.

End of the day i doubt we'll ever know the truth and you can make a good case for all of 2,3, or 4, they are all possible or even some sort of combo. {Ed033's Note - OK, I plump for number 4.}
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 18:38
Q. What do you base your statement on that the Illuminati do not control Russia?


Because the FSB (old KGB) regulary report to Putin the activities of the Illuminati.

Putin received a large amount of criticism in the Russian press for the economic downturn of 2008 many russians lost their jobs the same of course happend in other countries, however no other country but Russia pointed the finger at America and the powers that be that run america from behind the scenes.

Putin does not like being unpopular, he is an egotist, the same could proably be said for many a powerful man.

See the pictures of putin riding his horse barechested in the forrests of Russia, or the pictures of him with the Siberian tiger cubs or the amur leopard. He has a multi billion dollar contract with I think Sachi and Sachi in America to improve his and the image of Russia.

The russian press have mentioned the illuminati as the cause of the ecomonic downturn (although putin did not mention the illuminati by name). What other country pointed the finger at America?

Now everyone into conspiracies knows the American Administration are the main channel for the deeds of the illuminati.

Putin banned Non Government Orgsanizations (NGO's) as George Soros the man who undermines countries for the illuminati and who has been responsible for revolutions was in Russia a while back on the ground masterminding a new revolution for Russia.

The illuminati see Russia as the biggest obstacle to their goals. Russia supplies China and India with much of their military hardware. These are the two fastest growing economies in the world with huge populations and the illuminati don't want russia's sphere of influence to increase in these regions.

They want to weaken Russia's influence in the world as russia acts with the opposing influence to america.

Putin rules Russia with an Iron Fist and nothing could go on in Russia without him knowing, the illuminati are alien to putin and he supports countries world wide that stand up to america, for example north Korea, Iran, etc.

While one of his close allies is hugo chavez a man who has had many a run-in with America.


Russia like China holds billions of Dollars in reserve they are the two biggest holders of maerican dollars and there's nothing either country can do with their dollars they can spend it or it would weaken America and the dollar even further, infact Russia and China want to replace the dollar. the dollar is no longer linked to the gold standard and the dollar is just worthless paper that America keeps printing.

For putin to be in league with the illuminati would be like Kenny to be in league in Alex.

However you are right in that the illuminati started off in communism and then spread to capitalism and now it has a socialist agenda.

America and the west are being destroyed from the socialist agenda, look at the fallout from obama's socialist reforms and Europe draws nearer to the Abyss each day.


Always bet on Red (Liverpool Red)
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 17:57
As i said maybe he was cia, and they had to retrieve him to debrief him. {Ed033's Note - I don't know but my guess is that osama bin laden died a number of years ago and that is why we never saw his body after they allegedly shot him in 2011. Bin laden can't be used as the bogey man again so what use is he to the CIA now assuming you are correct?}
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 17:40
I'd just like to asj "just my thoughts" on why he thinks a war against Iran is long overdue....
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 16:11
Cheers ed, I'll watch it now, what is your personal belief on the Roswell incident and the Nazi Bell?

the Moon. {Ed033's Note - Well here is more info about the Nazi Bell, a Project Camelot interview with Igor Witkowski - www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGKYo5jJAkg

I have no doubt that the Nazis could have developed such a high end technology device as the bell that could do everything Dr. Jospeh P. Farrell says. I don't have much to say about Roswell now as there is too much conflicting data about it. The fact that there is so much conflicting data means to me that there has been as very successful cover up of what really happened. I do think that it was not a balloon, I think it was a flying machine that was higher tech than the white technology that the public know of. I think there were bodies recovered but don't know how many. I do not think the bodies recovered were dummies but do not know whether they were human or not. I really do not know what happened at Roswell.}
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 15:35
On your point 2 they had to go into Afghanistan first due to its strategic value and now they need to clear a safe passage between Afghanistan and Iraq. The propaganda campaign against Iran will intensify causing people to cry out for something to be done, only this time i don't think they need to use a terrorist attack as a reason for war.
I feel America is trying to gain a strong foothold in the middle east not just for oil but to use as a striking point against China when they start defaulting on the debt payments.

always a red
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 15:08
Well said Always a red . This ˜Iranian terror plot'
was no doubt conceived of in the offices of the
CIA , i heard it on BBC 5 live last night with no
questioning of pentagon's version of events.
Boycott the BBC (MOTD allowed ) watch RT instead.
Cheers
JR
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 14:37
A few comments on this:

1. If you watch the news coverage on RT (Russia Today) you will get far more news on the Wall Street and other cities protests in the US. Not particularly balanced coverage but interesting.

2. A war in or against Iran is inevitable in my opinion and to be honest is long overdue, approximately 10 years overdue. Yes that does equate to the amount of time we have been in Afghanistan. I for one would be much more inclined to a war against the Saudi's but lets face it that is never going to happen.

3. Islam like almost every other religion has it's good elements and it's not so good elements. I don't think it is any better or worse than the others. The demonisation of any religion is bound to cause radicalism in its adherents.

Just my thoughts.
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 14:37
That bit was from a documentary i was watching, they said something along the lines of, the universe was created by a piece of anti matter the size of a grain of sand so it is possible that when anti matter reacts with matter it will cause an implosion/explosion capable of destroying the entire universe.

Either they said that, or I misunderstood something.

I'll try and find out what the doc was.

The Moon.
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 13:59
My bad Ed, I believe I have. and all of the information I've got has been from documentaries and books over the years, I even looked back through a few of them when writing the post about what it is and what they are capable of. so if it is exaggerated it's by the authors/documentary producers and not myself.

The Moon. {Ed033's Note - The exaggeration i was referring to was when you said "a piece the size of a grain of sand is heavy enough to out way the entire universe" obviously, I could be wrong but this seems an exaggeration.}
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 13:10
Dark Matter is a form of matter which we don't know to much about, in a nutshell what we know about it is that if it reacts with matter (which is everything) then the universe will literally tear apart, and that a piece the size of a grain of sand is heavy enough to out way the entire universe.

We have made Dark Matter, but in such small amounts that once they are formed they are met by regular matter and instantaneously implode.

The Moon. {Ed033's Note - I think you're confusing dark matter with anti-matter and then exaggerating.}
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 13:03
{Ed033's Note - In July 2001 before 9/11, Bin Laden was in a Dubai hospital with kidney trouble where an alleged CIA agent met with him - www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/01/afghanistan.terrorism.

Also, Barack Obama's popularity was the lowest possibly of any President in recent history just before the alleged shooting of Osama bin laden. The shooting was possibly an attempt to boost Obama's popularity. If that shooting in 2011 was real they would have shown bin laden's body I think.}
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 12:13
Or that he is a paid American agent that has been "retired". {Ed033's Note - In 2007 just before she was assassinated, Benazir Bhutto said in an interview with David Frost, that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZiUjhsEAK4&feature=related

In addition someone faked a picture of Osama Bin Laden dead in 2011 which was broadcasted on Pakistani television and shown by certain British newspapers as genuine - www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake
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Reply · · 12 Oct 2011 00:05
Raz

there is confusion here

My reply was directed at the poster who intimated a " faithless atheist society " . Was that you?

jimi88
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Reply · · 11 Oct 2011 20:28
Don't they use dark matter to power sub light engines? Or is it dark matter to power faster than light engines? I forget
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Reply · · 11 Oct 2011 20:05
Ok well try this one as well.

youtube.com/watch?v=V-TMKUea87E

again, its a bit unclear and i think its open to interpretation, maybe its like those images where the mind see's something we're pre programmed to see like faces in clouds etc. except the brain is hearing things.

either way its curious.
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