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U say number 5 religion is to keep us under control yet number 10 u say we must seek the lord.

Ed no way that is mad. Well I say that one stipulation of the Illuminati is to make sure people are aware of them. Some people say they don't exist, I fail to agree because they are not in hiding - they may do occult things and their meetings are occult, and how they run the world/or not is secret, but the fact that they exist. and what they worship, etc etc, is not at all secret, that's why we see their s**t in madona videos and celine album artwork and why films like Angels and Demons gets made, and why they will put Zion in the 2012 logo and not deny it. And people still wont believe they are up to something!
Raz

In response to the second above this: the Illuminati do not wish to keep themselves secret. They may be underground but that is a very different thing. They have occult meetings and rituals yes, but they as an organisation have been systematically dripfeeding society with elements of rituals for centuries. Some people misconstrue being secretive with being a secret organisation, which isn't quite right. Think about it like this: in order to create NWO you have to control the people, let them know you are there, create Zion, CREATE an disaster/world crises like never felt before, unleash it, then come riding in and rid the world of it, and elect the new world leader who shall rule from zion claiming to be the messiah (this is the antichrist). So it isn't in their interest to stay secret.
Raz {Ed033's Note - David Icke said a long time ago that what is going on is so bizarre that nobody will believe it.}

YES Ed0033

I bet you have it? {Ed033's Note - I actually don't but some people have said that the pictures on the board game cards showed events of the future when the game first came out.}

Yeah but you could add to that:

convince people god doesn't exist by creating acts of terror

Convince people god doesn't exist by not curing starvation and famine

Convince people there is no god by inventing the theories of evolution.

Ensuring the teachings of histories and theory of evolution is selective.

Creation of Zion.

Even if you combined all of the above and kept Zion separate you'd still have 9 things... {Ed033's Note - For those that don't know, the 2012 Olympic Games logo is actually spelling ZION not 2012, and when Lord Seb Coe was asked why the 2012 Olympic Games logo spells out Zion not 2012, he replied by just saying, "it's something we believe in" but he didn't say who he meant by WE.}

Plus 7 up was invented before ww2.

The illumanati are in breds

They marry within themselves so as to not dilute their wealth

Their bloodlines are not diluted so your mates ear is not in any way connected to the illumanati.

They mix only in the highest high of the echelons of sociiety I doubt your mate would be welcome there


They control big banks, the drug industry, insurance companies, are senior bond holders to all the countries in the world, they make Abramovich seem like a poor lowly peasant.

They are not stupid people mad yes stupid no.

The hidden hand

Sure you know by now that only weak minds believe in such tom foolery as the illuminati, secret societies and people that are out to use others for their own benefit?

Don't you?

The secret its only a bit of fun, soon the secret the board game will be out! Its a bit like snakes and ladders, ludo etc. only electronic


The hidden hand {Ed033's Note - You can buy the Deluxe Illuminati Board Game from amazon - www.amazon.com/Vintage-Sports-Cards-Inc-1305SJG/dp/1556343841

Of course women enjoy this book they are more in tune with the universe then men, the hand that rocks the craddle rules the world

The hidden hand

So nobody has died chasing the almighty dollar?

Drugs that are unsafe are still being sold by the truckload each day and capitalism is safe?


Yeah about as safe as playing with a shark in swimming pool, capitalism is rotting to the core and we are witnessing its demise, wake bleeding up for gods sake!

Exactly, but no politician has the balls ED. {Ed001's Note - they do in many other countries around the world. If you go to Australia and completely disregard the laws of the land, the planning regulations etc the way the Dale Farm residents have, you would be on the next ship home.}

Raz i was looking at something on bilderberg the other day.

To be honest i do doubt a lot of it, if they were so secret then how come so much has been uncovered?

And a secret society of devil worshippers plotting for how many centuries?

There's a lot i can;t quite take seriously although granted a lot of it is starting to add up.

have you seen the one on the street map of washington dc and how most of it was laid out in freemason symbology?

1 Creation of United States.

2. Spreading free masonary and establishing international banking.

3. Invention of Socialism.

4. WW1

5. WW2.

6. Cold War and erosion of freedom's, control of media and politics confirmed.

7. Invention of the internet and wider moves into mainstream culture.

Noel Edmonds swears reading the book turned his life around for the good, my missus loves the book

Exactly ed001.

Also correct me if i am wrong but the key word here is traveller. they don't seem to be doing much of it do they, camped there for 10 years with all mod cons. {Ed001's Note - exactly. They turned down the offer of perfectly good houses, purely because they say it is against their beliefs to settle down. But then they park their caravans and never move them anyway. Madness. But if you want to live in a country, you should abide by its laws or go somewhere else and that should apply to everyone.}

Yeah I don't think it represented that 7 major stages had been completed but I would be happy to hear if someone thinks so, what stages?
Raz

See there must be something in it then.

I'd say more like the Umbrella mate. The Freemasons do the building work for the Illuminati, and within the building's design, architecture, structure, architectural ratios (Google, The Golden Ratio) there are obvious and encoded messages that survive for as long as the structure does.
Skull and Bones is an emblem of a faction or generation that stood for reps of the Illuminati, but in a public domain e.g. presidents. They would have the emblem on the table cloth of old conferences, that sort of thing, they made ...ahem...bones of that fact either. Sorry couldn't resist!
They are Illuminati because they are enlightened - i.e. they believe or know Lucifer exists and the ANtichrist is coming. What they know within that, and what they practice at their occult meetings and rituals, is way more secret but there are theories. That is a knowledge they will claim over us 'sheeple' as someone/you called us. That we are being mind-controlled could be another part of that knowledge.

So the Iluminati is not necessarly separate but it is deffo larger than the other things, although after dinner I am going to google Knights of Malta and Bilderberg mate.

Raz

Wrong: the perfect omelette is the Vomelette.

Sorry lfc but they should clearly just bog of back to Ireland and take the rest of them with them.

They pay no tax, contribute nothing to the economy and yet expect my hard earned wages to pay for their kids to go to school and hospital, well sorry but this sheep is making a stand baaah!

And have you ever met a poor pikey? {Ed001's Note - at least one of the 'travellers' on the Dale Farm site owns an estate in Ireland. They have had ten years to find somewhere else to live and have refused to accept a single legal decision that has gone against them. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever, if I had illegally built so much as a shed on my land it would get knocked down immediately.}