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Reply · frankyscouser · 15 Sep 2015 22:04
15 Sep 2015 22:27:47
yeah herbie growing it for yourself would be safe. the guys I know are just using it as a money making scheme.
like I said, I have no problem with it being legal.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 15 Sep 2015 22:04
15 Sep 2015 22:23:09
yeah, he got asked why would everyone else say the opposite to him.
his answer was simple, we use this as a scare tactic and tax everyone, carbon tax etc.

funny enough I watched the msn news a couple day ago which said expect rising tempertures in the next coming years, will be interesting to see what happens.
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Reply · HERBIE · 15 Sep 2015 20:22
15 Sep 2015 21:05:50
Absolutely Ed, Colorado should be used as an example of the benefits of cannabis.
The state has blossomed financially as you mention but the state also now has a lower crime rate, a better education system and the main thing. a lot of very happy people. :-)
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Reply · HERBIE · 15 Sep 2015 19:55
15 Sep 2015 20:43:07
Smoking weed is what's kept me sane for decades, its a beautiful plant, it is not addictive, addiction is within the person.

franky, weed if home grown is safe, I never buy what I don't know about.

Melbourne, mushrooms as you know opens up parts of the brain that usually lie dormant, we can't have people using more of there brain capacity, the world leaders don't want that.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 15 Sep 2015 19:03
15 Sep 2015 20:00:41
interesting post melbourne , I have tried pot a few times (i don't smoke ) but I tried it for the first time in years a few weeks ago when I was in portugal .

like edd or kim I am no expert but let's say I know a few people that tell me pot now days is laced with chemicals ,i think its to make it grow quicker or something like that and that is were you get the problems ,smoking the real mccoy weed I have no problem with and I would make it legal tommorow .
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Reply · KimPhilby · 15 Sep 2015 16:54
15 Sep 2015 17:20:05
I agree and disagree. If people want to experiment with reality or perception altering substances then I have no issues. As long as proper support is provided to help anyone that develops issues especially addiction.

Also the benefits of ending the illegal drug trade could be beneficial especially in areas where the crops are grown by ensuring fair trade and prices for the farmers to assist with the end of poverty and society improvements. Instead of money going into criminals accounts it could be used better. Of course until the banks become involved.

Where I do disagree is with regards to certain drugs of the stronger kind such as heroin etc being legalised. But I admit its not a subject I know much on so if anyone has more expertise then feel free.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 15 Sep 2015 14:28
15 Sep 2015 13:13:15
Yes, usually members of the special reconnaissance regiment undercover. Or locals they have some dirt on or bribed.
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Reply · TTTS · 15 Sep 2015 11:52
15 Sep 2015 12:14:43
British security intelligence have agents in all the paramilitary organisations in Ireland, high rankings members. They can call on them any time to rock the boat
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Reply · KimPhilby · 15 Sep 2015 07:32
15 Sep 2015 08:26:18
It wouldn't have been mi5. They are only an internal intelligence gathering and analysis group. Its nothing like spooks.

Now if it had happened abroad you could claim it was mi6 who being an agency with responsibility for foreign operations have a bit more scope for dirty work.

However 6 like 5 if they need someone removing don't tend to do it themselves. Its a matter of accountability. After all they're organisations that are publically acknowledged and have parliamentary oversight committees that would ask too many inconvenient questions.

Therefore its either outsourced to the private sector and the expense disguised on the accounts. Or one of the other mi departments that aren't publically acknowledged are called in. Although they tend to do more abroad than domestically. Usually a small team ex SAS/ SBS types or more likely the Special Reconnaissance boys.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 14 Sep 2015 18:36
14 Sep 2015 19:10:02
wether corbyn goes or not is not the point edd the members which I am now officially one today have made the party aware we want change ,it really needed this because politics never really interested me before , they use jargon to bore you or make you feel that you are not intelligent enough to understand in a patronizing way ,this will change the lab party.

kim agreed all countries should coordinate and stop these monsters but you know that will never happen when people come second to the oil and war trade .

and no hard feeling buddy.
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Reply · HERBIE · 14 Sep 2015 17:49
14 Sep 2015 18:45:28
I must say I've quite enjoyed reading this 'debate'.
Looking forward to the podcast.
ding ding round 2 :-)
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Reply · KimPhilby · 14 Sep 2015 17:29
14 Sep 2015 18:22:04
If he turned around and said if I win a general election and after renationalisation of the railways and the utilities I will nationalise the banks, reduce unfair charges on people and curtail excessive bonuses then that would be noteworthy.

Id also like to see a coordinated strategy on the war in Syria and the rest. Islamic extremists threaten us all, Russia, Europe and America. Why do you think putins suddenly interested. Its been pointed out to him some of these people pouring into the Syria are Russian chechens. And when they leave Syria? Or if they win in Syria? Hence now pouring in aid to Assad. Which I disagree with. Propping up a dictator to defeat fanatics.

And I accept your apology.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 14 Sep 2015 16:38
14 Sep 2015 16:10:39
edd your jumping the gun ,when have I said it had to do with corbyn?

this for the 3rd or 4th time has never been about the man , its about policies that resonates with people.

david icke agrees with you in a way with corbyn is not the answer but its a start in the right direction.

this austerity squeeze is hitting everyone and it surprises you that people want a different voice? sanders/corbyn/podemos are popular because they go against the grain .

yep I take your point I could be biased but I live in a very biased society that treats people with money/power one way and the rest a other a way.

education and respect? fair enough
i would not dare to guess why they do it , maybe some are brainwashed maybe some are just pure evil and maybe some have lost all of there familes in the the iraq war, who knows?
maybe we should educate the uk public and say we are working with terrorist regimes all over the world now.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 14 Sep 2015 16:38
14 Sep 2015 16:50:39
just remind me kim were did the bailout money go? yeah back to the banks .

lets talk about you can not spend what you don't have ,we lend from the bank of england and pay interest .

listen we can go back and forth about policies the simple fact is people are fed up they way things are being run .

and kim on reflection I was being harsh on you , I apologize for calling you a right wing neo con .
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Reply · KimPhilby · 14 Sep 2015 15:21
14 Sep 2015 16:07:38
Exactly. Education. Proper fair trade. Properly instituted political systems and not tyrannical dictators or corrupt monarchies. Less religion and more teaching people to respect others.

Hamas. Who's stated aim of a Palestinian homeland is to be achieved by genocide. And if I recall correctly that election was called into question by the united nations.

You mention Greece. What's happened in Greece is 40 years of socialism failed. The country is bankrupt. Kept afloat by tourism and bailouts. And they expect the bailouts to be free. When told no you need to pay it back and get your house in order they threw the toys out the pram.

Its simple economics. You can't spend more than you earn. This is why all these socialist European countries are struggling. This is why the soviet union collapsed.

I don't really see how spending even more money is answer to already massive debts. Increasing the debt is plain stupidity.

Sure ramp up taxes on people who can afford to pay it and cut spending where it needs to be cut. But throwing extra billions on top of trillions of debt makes no sense.
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Reply · frankyscouser · 14 Sep 2015 13:57
14 Sep 2015 14:51:19
must be a figment of my imagination what is happening all over europe then , greece spain scotland ireland .

and if propaganda will win then it failed miserably in this leadership election .

and again I am asking you guys what is your solution to this terror groups?
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Reply · frankyscouser · 14 Sep 2015 13:31
14 Sep 2015 13:05:32
correct edd its all about the people awareness not accepting austerity and finally standing as a movement behind those ideas being put forward.

this is rocking the uk like it never have has before and has people engaging more on issues that effect people like myself , and like it or not there is a change of let's think outside the box.

talking with isis? kim he has spoke to the elected hamas who's political aims were to have the palestein people to have human rights and I am pretty sure he has not said he wants talks with isis because it would be on msm 24/7 , I repeat he's aim is to stop our so called allies funding and giving them weapons and I am pretty sure bernie sanders is saying the same type of things in the usa .

you have never said you don't want peace , again I ask you what do we do?

kim you mention gay rights , the most prominent gay activist peter thatchil (who I detest btw) is firmly behind corbyn which might surprise you?

i want two fingers up to the establishment?ironic statement that when they have always looked after there own and stuck two fingers up to the people who have built this country .
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Reply · KimPhilby · 14 Sep 2015 13:31
14 Sep 2015 13:15:11
But what's he waking up?

His entire program is the same as Michael foots. It didn't work in 1983. It won't work now. Thatcher destroyed the working class. Labour was only able to win an election under Blair by abandoning long standing socialist policies such as clause 4. As soon as labour started moving to the extreme left again it started losing elections again.

The labour party of the 1980s was controlled by the unions and the unions were controlled by Moscow.

I'm not really breaking any secrets here as its all in the public domain. But the two most influential unionists in the labour party were kgb controlled. And these two put plenty of their favourites into safe labour seats. People who could and in fact later did take control of tbd parliamentary labour party.

Corbyn was never an asset of the kgb as he was regarded, somewhat ironically, as someone who wouldn't process far enough in the party because of his extremist views. However he was regarded as someone who would be approachable for support if needed.
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Reply · KimPhilby · 14 Sep 2015 13:31
14 Sep 2015 13:17:45
And if you want to corroborate that either track down my old boss at the London embassy Colonel Oleg Gordievsky or fly to Moscow, go a few miles outside and look up Anatoly Chernyaev, former head of the successor organisation to the Comintern and moscows leg man between the Kremlin and the labour party.
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