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No offense but the bit about the Chinese is largely irrelevant, it neither proves or disproves the official story it's just speculation.

Lets stick to some of the more pertinent points surrounding what we have been told by presidents, government officials and so called 'experts' to explain the events.

so how come building 7 fell in free fall for 2. 3 seconds, around the first third of its descent, seemingly breaking newton's laws of physiscs? (if you believe the 'official story' that is, personally I believe Newton!)

How come the architects and engineers have found major errors in the nist report that make it impossible the first beams fell the way they did? They lied about the size of the beams and their supports, they even ignored the fact that there were special plates adding additional support which would have held the beam in place! The amount by which they told us the steel had expanded would not have made them fall, based on the original 'facts' they presented.

Much like the 'experts' who gave us the 'pancake theory' failed to explain 1) how the middle core of the towers fell, they were still standing in their model! 2) how free fall speeds were reached, defying newton's laws

How come CNN, the BBC, many witnesses including fire fighters and police men knew building 7 was going to collapse before it even happened? There is video proof of all those people having prior knowledge.

Why were highly trained firemen reporting explosions throughout the day and a series of them as the towers fell? I say firemen because surely the know what explosions look and sound like?

Around 90 cctv camera footage taken from businesses near the pentagon and over 100 present at the building itself. So why are we not shown just 1 clear picture of an airplane hit the pentagon?

How come we are told that they watched the plane heading for the pentagon from over 30 miles out yet never had it shot down?

how come the guy were are told did a 270 degree cork screw whilst descending then hitting the pentagon at full speed almost at ground level - had a report written about him weeks earlier that he was incapable of driving a tiny 2man plane? He had also never even seen the inside of the cockpit of this plane before!

How come these amateur terrorists armed with box cutters were able to forcefully remove highly trained and mostly ex-military pilots, let alone before any of said pilots were able to raise the alarm?

Why, when there are cctv plastered throughout all airports are we not shown footage of the the terrorists even being in the airport the flights left from, let alone boarding those planes! We are shown 1 photo of some of them at a totally different airport. Why?

These questions and many, many more are not answered by the 'official story'.

Harold

So what's the difference between him and berkavic?

The eu is gremanys legit way of taking over the world for there 3rd attempt, but this time they'll win. maybe they'll never stop trying.

How would such a machine come to exist? A machine implies a creator.
The universe can also be interpreted as a machine, as specific interactions within the universe give rise to specific effects.
Is this theory an alternative proposition to the "big bang"/"great expansion" theory?
Zari

13 Dec 2013 23:43:54
Just my opinion guys, it seems to me conspiracists can't face the facts, on your Judy wood book she states that the Chinese had a deal in place for the steel remaining. They WOULD NOT have a deal in place, as quite franky china are seen as enemies more than freinds. And it makes sense, a plane taking a chunk out of the building and the jet fuel burning at 800 * Celsius, which is highly known that steel weakens at that level. Also, you say the buildings fell straight, your wrong, in the footage you can see the building falling over one side at a start, it was flopping! The extreme heat brought them towers down.

Did you know that 90 % of the building was air? And the remaining was steel and concrete. Think about that

Shaun

I mean aren't they?

Supasub

Well that's possibly our ancestors, isn't it?

Supasub

The only thing the "machine" springs to mind was a black project army private who claimed there was a technique or machine that was so far advanced it was from the future, not sure its the same thing your on about pea.

13 Dec 2013 12:31:04
because the light is the problem, Zari. 'let there be light' and thus the Machine was 'turned on'. pea

13 Dec 2013 09:56:34
Great point! "Where there's smoke there's fire"! - never thought of that. Occasionally it takes a man of genius to point out something so simple. Case solved. Congratulations on being an person, Shaun.

"Just finished researching 9/11"

That says it all really. There is no end to the possible research and your post certainly didn't make it sound like you have extensively understood the many, many inconsistencies in the 'official story'. Some people have been researching it for 12 years and still finding new evidence.

Can I ask, have you watched 'september 11 the new pearl harbour'? Only because it is a good one stop shop for many of the ludicrous inconsistencies in what we have been told. I can't be bothered to start listing them now as i'd be here for days and many have been discussed on the site regularly.

Harold

Well I guess that's it then Shaun.
Some people have told me Santa's not real either, but I've seen him loads of times all over the place.

Supasub

Cheers Ed, that is it.
Zari

Sorry forgot to log in with above coast to coast reply post!

Ed, can you put up my whole post or is it gone?

Anon, most scientific telescopes do not look into the visible spectrum. The visible spectrum is too narrow a band.
They instead opt for infrared or ultra violet. This is what spectroscopy is about. Analyzing frequencies to determine temperature, distance, compositional elements etc.
Zari

The fact of the matter is that wether or not you believe in codename satan/god the persons running this world absolutely do, and guess what? They have information they are not willing to share with you.
They KNOW what "god" is. pea

I think also that UFO's can be picked up easier with infra-red.

With reference to my earlier post regarding the Vatican. Why would an organisation representing the Catholic religion spend $Millions of Dollars constructing and installing an observatory with an 'infra-red' telescope? My understanding is that the infra-red telescope can see through space dust and detect objects that do not emit visible light such as a Brown Dwarf - Maybe Nibiru?

12 Dec 2013 00:25:03
Yeah it came out a bit ruder than I had tried, sorry about that

Shaun

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