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Discussion #9206Talk Sense

23 Sep 2014 23:08:39
i believe area51 did have the remains of a alien spacecraft bk in the day, not any more.

 

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Discussion #9205Talk Sense

22 Sep 2014 23:37:15
btw edd how do u get the emotions?

 

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cheers edd (y)
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Discussion #9204Talk Sense

22 Sep 2014 23:47:18
regarding icke poll question yesterday, the way I look at it is, I believe there are powerful alien intelligence as we call it living among us and I think there is a correlation between bloodlines that have been in power for 100s if not 1000s of years and these beings, put it this way considering people think icke had a breakdown he has got more things right than wrong.

 

{Ed001's Note - there is no question Icke had a breakdown, he has said so himself Franky. It doesn't mean he is incapable of getting things right, just that he went through a hard time at one point. I wonder how much was because he was working for the BBC and tried to go public with their problems? He was certainly put under immense pressure and publicly ridiculed by the BBC to destroy his credibility. The sad thing is, people will still remember him as being disturbed, even now the BBC has been shown to be untrustworthy and unreliable, and only interested in covering up the huge amount of crimes being committed by its stars.}
frankyscouser
Fair point edd maybe the question should have been worded better? because icke firmly believes to this day that the monarchy have or are alien.
{Ed033's Note - 20% of the nag hammadi texts talk about a group of ETs that came to Earth a few thousand years ago and started to mentally mess up humanity. This ET group were called Archons in the nag hammadi texts. These Archons allegedly hate humans and feed off our negative emotions.

When i've listened to david icke recently, he appears to think that these Archons possess or attach themselves to royalty types at their blood sacrifice rituals, so the royalty types' energy field also contains an Archon ET frequency.

Not to take the p***, frankyscouser, but my explanation above is much closer to what David Icke firmly believes to this day than, "the monarchy have or are alien."
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No worries edd and there is something that makes me shiver about the monarchy (my gut feeling again)whether its alien I am unsure but the sadistic sacrifice /pedophilia culture I would bet on it.
{Ed033's Note - yes, i bet the blood sacrifices and pedophilia are what the monarchy take part in.
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23 Sep 2014 20:58:27
Reading that ed my first thought was Babylon 5 and the Keepers, parasitic lifeforms that attach to a host and control their actions, probably way off beam, but maybe these rituals open up the host person allowing the parasite lifeform in?

Mort
{Ed033's Note - yes, imo, in addition to the blood sacrifices, they also attempt to get some other entity (which have been called demons) to attach to/possess the initiate.

people have speculated that why do the top ruling group want to ruin the entire Earth and everything living on Earth because they have to live here too and their offspring have to live here on Earth as well.

A possible answer is that they are either possessed/controlled by demons/Archons or they think the way they do through some kind of mind control that all the top ruling group go through.
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Ritual would just weaken the perso allowing the "demon" "bad spirit" "alien" whichever to gain access and control.

I know its a tv show but in Babylon 5 this one character is forced to accept a keeper in order to save the rest of his people from destruction, maybe these archons pull similar kind of things, bit of blackmail and so on to get targeted individuals to accept the demon and do the rituals.

Mort
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Discussion #9203Talk Sense

22 Sep 2014 23:39:01
trust our government?trust your gut instinct, its usually right.

 

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Discussion #9202Talk Sense

22 Sep 2014 23:30:04
was watching a few old richplanet episodes and I am glad I am not the only who has thought this that David dimberly was on mi5 payroll, I would go as far as saying that he was a mi5 agent, people might think to be a agent you have to do james bond type of stuff, spreading diss info applies as well.

 

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23 Sep 2014 13:42:58
Franky, James Bond is so far from reality it is laughable.

It depends on the role, but certainly you don't have to be a 6'4 muscle pack. That's what you have special forces for like SAS or Spetznaz.

Most intelligence is done by analysis, computer geeks sat looking at your hacked emails or intercepted phone calls. Usually if your in the field your just servicing dead drops, leaving instructions for an asset and retrieving what they leave behind. And anyone can be an asset in place, you'd be surprised.

Kim Philby
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Profile fits dimberly then kim.
{Ed033's Note - yes, David Dimbleby of BBC's Question Time has got to be one of those obfuscating agent types.
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23 Sep 2014 21:18:29
Not knowing him personally its hard to say on his motivations. Maybe someone has some dirt. Maybe, being of an older generation, he thinks its his duty. Certainly some of these pro establishment media types are used by the establishment to spin or push certain agendas.

Kim Philby
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Discussion #11392Talk Sense

22 Sep 2014 18:25:39
Ok I'm not too clued up on Remote Viewing what I don't get is if these guys did not know it was 9/11 they were going to be remote viewing? How is that channeled into them so that's what they're looking at?

 

{Ed033's Note - You're not clued up on Remote Viewing at all. It's essential that the remote viewer has no prior knowledge of the target whatsoever, in order to get any useful, correct data. Otherwise if they know the target, their ego will get in the way and give out wrong data.
RM8
Ok thanks Ed that clears it up, I've never looked into it saw it mentioned on here a few times. I found the video really interesting just didn't understand how they were doing it cheers.

Also Ed, when the English fella's target is who was behind the attacks. At the top of his board says US New York 9/11 attack so could that then mean his ego or imagination is getting in the way? I'm not trying to disprove this I think it's fascinating and I want this evidence to be on the money so much but It seems a bit scripted don't you think?
{Ed033's Note - Because 9/11 is such well known and specific, if you're remote viewing it, after a while, you may start thinking, that it could be 9/11. Once the remote viewer starts thinking the target could be 9/11, after that point, the data could be corrupted.
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RM8, I'm a bit behind the curve on remote viewing, and I have been watching a few videos trying to understand it better. This one helped. It's only 10 minutes long and well worth checking out.

Ryan.

http://youtu.be/EUZnD_wpEow
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RM8
Thanks Ryan when I 1st watched the 9/11 clip I had no clue. After what Ed said I watched a few videos I found this one helpful.

http://youtu.be/iiL0u8j3qSo
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Thanks RM8.

Ryan.
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Discussion #5000Talk Sense

22 Sep 2014 08:53:33
2 of the best known remote viewers, remote viewed 9/11 (they didn't know the target was 9/11 beforehand) and they did not validate the official 9/11 story.

Remote Viewing 911 DVD Trailer

 

frankyscouser
Interesting clip edd, would be interested who funded this because why was it not shut down or will they think here are a few guys with tin hats on?
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{Ed033's Note - This is about 1 guy (Courtney Brown, who's a professor) who knows 2 of the best known remote viewers and from time to time gives them a target to remote view as an experiment. Then Courtney Brown goes on talk radio in an attempt to get people to buy the DVDs of the remote viewing to pay the remote viewers for their time.

According to Courtney Brown, Agents go on various web sites/social media to ruin the reputation of Courtney Brown and his remote viewing experiments. These agents apparently succeed as he doesn't sell many DVDs which makes it difficult for Courtney Brown to fund further remote viewing experiments.
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Discussion #10788Talk Sense

22 Sep 2014 05:30:11
Would the 'Van Allen' belt of radiation around the earth prevent a real moon landing from taking place in an unshielded spacecraft?

Yes.

Since the alleged apollo landings no aircraft/spacecraft has ventured further than circa 400 miles above the earth. Including the Space Shuttle. Don't you think the Soviets would have made it to the moon at some point too? The Soviets were way ahead of the US in the space race. If you believe Neil Armstrong was the first man on the moon them you probably think LHO shot JFK too.

Ryan.

 

frankyscouser
A few times this topic has cropped and considering I am a ufo/alien nut, I have never really studied this, have to make time in the future.
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23 Sep 2014 13:48:48
I believe that's why they didn't but the space program was under top security classification. Only the politburo and the chairman had access to a lot of the files. The scientists and cosmonauts obviously wouldn't speak on it.

Kim Philby
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Did you know the 12 Hasselblad cameras used on the moon were left there. Only the film magazines were brought back.

So how did they protect the film from the effects of radiation, and come back with photos a professional photographer would be proud of?

Ryan.
{Ed033's Note - i can't find Jay Weidner's version of how Stanley Kubrick Faked the Moon Landings video but this below video has been created from parts of Jay Weidner's video with the audio removed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBJUyYuzivo


Also Jay Weidner talking about Stanley Kubrick Faking the Moon Landing footage

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Fascinating video Ed033 thanks for sharing.

Ryan.
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Discussion #10787Talk Sense

22 Sep 2014 05:27:15
I haven't seen the Foley beheading and don't want to but from what I have been reading and seeing apparently the videos is fake, reasons being:

1: During the reading of the script he was given, he isn't scared at all, even though he knows what is about to happen.

2: During the first few cuts of his throat apparently there is no blood, and according to medical professionals it should be coming out squirting out.
(and why did it cut out during the scariest most message sending part?)

3: After the beheading when the head is lay on the body, the face doesn't have quite the same features as James Foley.

4: The executioner doesn't have any blood on him after the event.

5: There is no flags, no Allah Akbar during the video, which is always in these videos.

6: His families interviews, fake tears, laughter, not one of his family members looks as sad as they should, considering the circumstances.

7: During his brothers and sisters interview a picture frame falls of the wall, leading some people to believe it is in a studio, which was put together prior to the interview.
(this one is a little far-fetched, or is it?)

8: According to some, James Foley maybe a CIA agent, and his parents were also CIA.

9: The video has been taken down from almost everywhere and it is an "terror act" to view it, what don't they want us to see? their mistakes?
They were never bothered when it was an Iraqi head being shown around like a trophy.

Now i'm not saying I believe this but it does seem to have a good case for being a staged beheading.

It's to either give reason for another war in the middle east, mainly Syria, or to put fear into reporters currently over there, to stop them revealing what is actually going on.

 

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I’ve seen the video of James Foley and I can say that what you state is true in my belief that it could be fake or staged, but not for the reasons you consider but agree with you on the motives.

1. Almost daily several times every hostage is threatened: today is the day you die. When this happens 20 or so times in one month and hostages being isolated and then grouped together then the human mind is more than prepared and has accepted death
The script is always there, hostages read scripts every couple of days but once in a while one is chosen to publish in the video. When someone speaks/reads out loud then also the mind starts to accept these scripts as facts.
As for not being scared and such; it’s down to 2 things – when you’re a hostage the main threat the terrorists use against you are the hostages with you. They threaten to torture the other hostages and they torture so that you do what they say i. e: reading a well written script or dying so that others would be saved.
Another factor is Captagon pills – these are type of amphetamines that are spread like crazy in all middle east war regions. They are used by the fighters and used on captive soldiers and hostages. Staying awake for over 2 days on these pills makes you delusional
They are also used in the suicidal bombers recruiting.

2. No blood is visible when the first cuts are done by the so called “Jihadi John” well please be aware that he is not the one who beheads – he is just someone who is more fluent in english and that is it. So there are no cuts here and that’s why James Foley makes no reaction and no pain sounds and no blood squirts. He would think it’s the same gag as everyday that he survived this day and they pranked him. The beheading wouldve been done later and even at later date by the main executioner who would have the biggest ego pride of always doing this job. As for leaving out the most scary part well it’s part of the propaganda – these video beheading (Foley and Sotloff) were published directly by ISIS “government” and not as usual like all before be headings (of syrian/iraqi soldiers, citizens…) who were published by the fighters and other sources. They were well prepared and hollywood style cam angels, since they are westerners then the video isn’t published. Tends to make you feel that ISIS are more compassionate towards the west then to the Arabs.

3. After any beheading the features of the face changes, I saw the video and for me if the beheaded face was the same as the one reading the script before.

4. Again he is not the executioner, and also the next hostage video could've been filmed at a different time.

5. No need for flags anymore since ISIS was already known and a domestic name in every house. As for Allah wAkbar, there isn’t any chantings because this is a threat video and not a captured fighter or some sort.
The media and all the west now is after Jihadi John and not ISIS or it’s leader. This is the propaganda and this is how shifting of priorities takes place; instead of trying to release and rescue the remaining hostages, the priority is who is Jihadi John

6 – 7 – 8. I cannot comment coz I don’t know much about James Foley. But what you state can be part of the truth since it can be very likely the Foley was CIA employed.

9. Making people search more and immerse more in this news can lead to the outcomes they want. It also creates this divide we’re discussing that there could be more the video and that the beheading is fake
Kind makes you hate ISIS more doesn’t it? And accept a war on terrorists ISIS which would ultimately be on Syrian grounds without coordination with the Syrian government leading to world war 3 maybe hehe. All is possible but what am sure of is that most are lies and fiction.

It could be staged and can be real but for me I’m quiet sure where the funding is coming from which is certainly saudi people backed by the US, so one way or another beheading or no beheading they knew and accepted it to be done-the video that is.

It’s unreal how now Sunni vs Shiaa it has become in all Arab countries. The division of each country is too much and if all arab war breaks out then no one would survive.


Franky the info I have is no more than from friends, family members, colleges who are one of Christian, Sunni, Shia, Durzi sects and some who are members in Hezbollah and some extremist Sunnis (backing the islamic state) and some Shiaa and Sunni religious people who are against all what is happening and you can say more peaceful than the christians. Some of these are refuges from iraq and syria with first hand stories of what happened and is happening.
Plus I have friends who are in the lebanese army fighting currently against ISIS (who return every 3-4 days and the get shifted back to the fighting region), others who work in the lebanese intelligence and detective forces. These guys when you get them fired up then they slip up with burried facts hehe. And in a country like Lebanon where war is on the horizon a lot of chit chat sessions take place discussing all. So what I posted before is what is common and similar in all the stories I heard from all the different sects and people.

Cheers,
J.
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frankyscouser
Cheers j, like I said mate keep us all posted when you can and you and your loved ones stay safe.
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Discussion #10786Talk Sense

22 Sep 2014 00:04:07
I would like to mention a couple of football issues. I watched the last 15 minutes or so of ac Milan v juventus with juventus eventually getting a late 1-0 win. Now they got in trouble as recently as a few years back with getting favourable decisions from referee's. I noticed that ac Milan got nothing hardly at all that I saw and juventus constantly benefited from very beneficial decisions by way of free kicks in their favour as soon as Milan players got near them and ac Milan would get nothing for clear fouls. A bit like (imo) barca did a few years ago. I would like to know the opinion of any of the football ed's if they think it's still going on?

Also someone recently came out and said that they believe at least one club is operated by criminals. Can't remember who it was but would any ed's hazard a guess at possibly which club it could be.

I'm optimistically thinking that it's not a British club but one of our European neighbours. Someone like napoli (just because of potential mafia links although I suspect a few italian clubs) or a team more East European like spartan Prague or a Romania team. Any guess's ed's? Or even one of the wealthy russian teams, again for similar reasons as an italian team. I'd like to think you'd offer a suggestion rather than side stepping it.
The bit about criminals involved with running a club or club (s) was I think in reference to gambling / match fixing.

Supasub

 

{Ed001's Note - it could be any one, Ken Bates has been involved with numerous clubs and he could easily be considered a criminal. There is not one man with the kind of money needed to operate a football club in the modern era who is clean. You don't become that rich by being good.

As for favourable decisions, hard to prove, but it does seem the culture in Italy has not changed at all. But then they just swept the issues under the carpet, rather than actually did anything about rooting out the trouble and cleaning the league up. I really doubt it will ever change as there is too much money involved.}
frankyscouser
Have always thought that edd, the really rich people are crooks in suits, cough cough bill gates.
{Ed001's Note - I agree completely.}
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Discussion #2042Talk Sense

21 Sep 2014 21:57:18
Ok going back a bit now but I've been doing some reading up on Franklin D Roosevelt.

Amazing guy really, it was FDR that put in place the system of checks and balances in place to stop the American banks from going out of control. A system of regulation that has been slowly and systematically dismantled by every president since Reagan. That's 5 presidents from both parties have been eroded these checks and balances. And look at what the result was.

But my point today is that I have come to believe that he didn't die in 1945 of natural causes. Yes he was not a well man, he had some big health issues due to his battle against polio and the war took a strain certainly. But what better way to cover a murder than by killing someone with health issues and blaming natural causes?

I was reading an account by Fletcher Prouty of an interview conducted with Stalin in 1946 by FDR's son Elliott in which Stalin is adamant that FDR was poisoned and it was down to Churchill, link below. However I'm not sure of Churchill having sufficient motive and Stalin was a known paranoiac.

http://hidhist. wordpress.com/assassination/who-killed-franklin-d-roosevelt/

I've also read other things how it was a Nazi op, but this strikes me as unlikely as by Spring '45 the senior Nazi's with any sense like Bormann were already putting their escape plans into action.

But my own personal theory, and I admit I have no evidence of this, is that it was down to a certain group of American families, with pro Nazi leanings, our old friends family Bush with help from Morgan, Rockefeller etc etc.

Firstly it was the likes of Morgan and the other banking families that were restricted by FDR's financial regulations. It was these families that have pressured presidents into removing those regulations. It was also these families that sponsored Hitler's rise to power.

Secondly they had already come up with one plot to remove FDR and install a dictatorship in America. This is the Business Plot of 1933. We have the testimonial of Major General Smedley Butler, USMC ret. In 1934, Butler testified to the United States House of Representatives Special Committee on Un-American Activities on these claims. In the opinion of the committee, these allegations were credible. No one was prosecuted. Unsurprisingly.

Whether or not this was a serious plot or not I believe that it brought together a group of individuals, with a similar political outlook, a combined wealth running into billions, and tentacles into the US banking, media and political institutions.

Maybe removing FDR and bringing in Truman advanced their goals, maybe it was just petty act of revenge for being thwarted previously by FDR, maybe it was a test run to see what they could get away with and who they would in a cover up. Certainly since then this group has grown now controlling the banking industry and mass media. They killed the Kennedy's, put Nixon, Reagan and both Bush's in power. They got the banking regulations removed, got into war in the middle east on several occasions (and are heading there again)

I could be wrong, it could just have been natural causes. But something just seems of to me.

Mort

 

frankyscouser
Interesting post mort and I watched something in a documentary a few months ago about fdr and your post has stirred up something in my memory, it explained he was a very ill man who if I can remember rightly had a heart attack but was back in the whitehouse 7 weeks later and something on the lines he would not see threw the plans he had (wish I could remember what it was called)it was almost like a cryptic clue, top post mort.
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22 Sep 2014 21:47:31
Very interesting. I remember just after the Reagan assassination attempt a few of us were sitting around with a fresh bottle of vodka, pretty amazed that people in the west actually tried to kill unpopular leaders. Something that we wouldn't even say as a joke. Anyway the conversation naturally turned to Kennedy and we worked our through the bottle and onto a second discussing Kennedy. Towards the last third of the second bottle this old timer, starts talking about Roosevelt, about how when news reached the soviet embassy it was flashed to the Kremlin as highest priority traffic. Despite the time difference Stalin was still around and immediately ordered the soviet ambassador (at this time Gromyko, later to be soviet ambassador to the UN amongst other things) to go to Georgia to view the body and confirm cause of death. This old guy said that three times Gromyko tried to gain access for a viewing and was rebuffed each time. Apparently if he had died the way he was supposed to there would be visible signs and this is what Stalin was interested in. The old timer concluded that Gromyko and Stalin suspected foul play but had no proof.

Kim Philby
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Interesting info KP

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Discussion #4999Talk Sense

21 Sep 2014 16:15:04
{Ed033's Note - The Matrix Trilogy films decoded by Mark Passio (y)

 

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