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Discussion #12490Talk Sense

16 Jun 2014 11:42:42
What's going on in Iraq.

Could this all be to propagate another invasion/war.

Part of Israel's plan to separate all it's neighbours into civil war to make their position stronger.

I admit i'm not too clued in on what's going on but when I saw this article

I couldn't help think, but how do we know it's isis militants

Mail story about this
http://tinyurl.com/muya487

I mean, when I look at the picture off the guy with the guy it looks like a white guys hand and a weapon that's is a bit better than what i'd expect to see in an militants hand, perhaps even these guys are being equipped by someone else and doing their dirty work for them

plus you have the war monger blair calling for the west to get involved, given his history.

I dunno if that even makes sense or what I posted was just BS

Would be good if someone could fill in some blanks as to what's going on there

Cheers.

PS ed's love the site.

 

{Ed033's Note - great, glad you like it
frankyscouser
This is a complex situation involving that dreaded word religion, the top and tail of it bush and Blair have stirred a hornets nest in a tinderbox region and they sit back waiting for it to explode then come in like the Calvary preaching about democracy, bush and blair should be tried like Saddam Hussein for war crimes and whatever the punishment they should serve it to them.
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16 Jun 2014 13:32:12
This really has nothing to do with Israel. The likes of Syria and Iraq haven't been a military threat for decades. They beat them in every war after all. Israels long term concerns remain Iran for the obvious reason of potential nuclear threats and the terrorist groups operating that are largely funded by Iran. The behind the scenes thinking in Israel is that hopefully the long term picture is that its neighbours settle down and become more democratic and less hostile depriving the Palestinians of support. I know of one senior Israeli figure who has said that current events in Syria and Iraq are beneficial as the situation is sucking jihadist fighters in to those conflicts and away from Israel and Lebanon so certainly there is an element that doesn't mind what's going on. But I am also aware that there is an element that thinks this situation is bad as it just stirs up more unrest and radicalises more gullible persons.

If anyone is stirring things up its a certain group of companies who have interests in the area and wish to expedite the situation.

Kim Philby
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Hey Jedi,

The eastern mediterranean is one of the most significant areas on this planet in the way it affects geopolitical interests.
The control of its vast resources, trade routes and strategic location has been fought over since ancient times.
Most of what we've come to identify as empires, both rose and fell according to their control of this area.

If the control of the eastern mediterranean was left to the nations and states that border it or was seized by an "opposing" interest e. g. Russia, the establishments reach would be limited and thus their interests would incur great damages.
Additionally, the number of foreign military bases in the surrounding area alludes to its continued occupation and to it serving as a permanent excursion outpost.

In regards to the militants and the latest war drum beating, a detached view will provide the most insights.
Militants require training and equipment, which costs.
The money must be coming from somewhere as donation trays wouldn't cover the expenses.
Furthermore, this sunni-shiite conflict mirrors the catholic-protestant conflict experienced in Ireland.

My conclusion would be that the establishment is encountering too many difficulties in controlling the general area and are thus attempting to further divide the surrounding nations and states.
This will in turn further destabilize the region and in all likelihood provide the establishment with the necessary public outcry to formalize the accession of these nations and states to the orderly union.
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One guy was using an M16, do they have those in Iraq? can they get them from a dodgy weapons dealer?
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17 Jun 2014 18:10:15
Yes if you have the right contacts, you can buy them in shops after all.
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Discussion #9145Talk Sense

15 Jun 2014 19:33:02
more about sandy hook.

Sandy Hook was a drill

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/13/sandy-hook-redux-obama-officials-confirm-that-it-was-a-drill-and-no-children-died/

 

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Good find Franky, it's as good a summary of the Sandy Hook Hoax as I've seen. The fact that the Sandy Hook charities were set up the day before it allegedly happened is damning evidence to say the least.

Ryan.
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Geordiesteve
Interesting find Frankie, just skim read it will read thoroughly when finished work.
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frankyscouser
Very true Ryan these charities on events that happen like this and the McCain case are getting more and more suspicious, its like they are not satisfied with fooling the public and they want to rub it in and fleece the public as well.
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Discussion #2072Talk Sense

15 Jun 2014 15:15:03
Saw a piece in the mirror today on the disappearance of Lord Lucan. as an early 20's aged man its the first i'd heard of it so I was wondering what theories are out there and why etc if anybody could post any of their own thoughts too it would be greatly appreciated as I am quite fascinated by the story.

Thanks

 

{Ed001's Note - I would be interested in this too, my parents always used to talk about it (well always is an exaggeration but you know what I mean!), but I have no idea what happened at all.}
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15 Jun 2014 16:44:54
There was on itv recently a good drama adaptation based on a book by a guy who investigated the lucan affair. Based on interviews with friends etc. It shows the background, the gambling and marriage breakdown which was the supposed motivation behind what happened. After he goes on the run is speculation but seems plausible. I suggest watching it if you are interested. It was in 2 parts and was called Lucan.

Kim Philby
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frankyscouser
No doubt he got help to keep his identity a secreat here is the most plausible answer.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=201237
{Ed033's Note - The story as I heard it from years ago was that allegedly, Lord Lucan wanted his wife out of the way so he concocted a plan. The plan was to hit his wife over the head when she was walking upstairs just before bedtime with drinks as she always did and then blame her death as an accident falling down the stairs and hitting her head.

Unfortunately, this particular evening, the maid brought the drinks up instead of his wife and Lucan killed the maid. When he realised the mistake, he went looking for his wife presumably to kill her. She quickly realised what he was going to do and kicked him in his groin and ran out of the house and escaped.

Lucan then telephoned a friend of his (don't know which one) and another plan has hatched where Lucan was to take some clothes and drive to the beach and place the clothes on the beach near to the sea and then wait to be picked up to go to a safe house and then be smuggled out of the country and looked after.

The news media printed that he had committed suicide.
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15 Jun 2014 23:31:32
Editor33 that is what happened in the tv drama. I think the friend was lord aspinall portrayed by Christopher eccelston.

Kim Philby
{Ed033's Note - Ok, yeah, I think that is the standard story of what probably happened
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16 Jun 2014 13:17:22
Usually in my experience 90% of the time the standard story is correct. Sometimes people try and overcomplicate things.

Kim Philby
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Discussion #10704Talk Sense

14 Jun 2014 13:16:06
{Ed033's Note - Researchers from Northwestern University and the University of New Mexico show evidence of oceans of water deep beneath USA
http://tinyurl.com/petfrx4

 

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15 Jun 2014 13:24:29
Is that the one where its buried in the magma? Makes me wonder what else we don't know about the planet.
{Ed001's Note - it is buried in a rock called Ringwoodite. It makes me wonder if Jules Verne really knew something when he said about an underground world. Just wishful thinking, no doubt, but it would be so exciting if we were to discover things living underground. Having water available to them would be key to sustaining life, even if it wasn't life as we would think of it.}
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15 Jun 2014 17:06:14
He was a smart man and predicted nuclear power, rockets to the moon and submarines. He either knew something or had a good technical advisor who knew something. Maybe Journey to the Centre of the Earth isn't so far fetched after all. One of my favourite western writers along with Wells.

Kim Philby
{Ed001's Note - he was a scientist, he also was involved with freemasonry, so might well have had access to some hidden knowledge. Though his calculations were sometimes off, he did have a lot of basic knowledge to use. I have always loved Verne's novels myself.}
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15 Jun 2014 17:32:12
On the language courses it was encouraged to read western literature so long as they contained no corrupting political philosophy. Also handy for working abroad from blending in from a cultural point of view. You never know what comes up in conversation. I'm a voracious reader myself.

That would explain him. knowing things. I'm not up on the whole freemason thing which is one of the things that drew me to this website.

Kim Philby
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Some woman once reported she saw giants under some secret catacombs. I can't remember too much about it, but it's an interesting subject.
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Discussion #12489Talk Sense

14 Jun 2014 12:15:42
Teachers to be replaced by computers, surely this is a wind up. ?

http://tinyurl.com/n4vjqbw

 

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Discussion #12488Talk Sense

14 Jun 2014 11:44:37
The Stingray: the cellphone tracker the government won't talk about


http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/4/2535697/stingray-cellphone-tracker-government-wont-talk-about

I'm sure the same is being used right here in the uk

 

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Discussion #9144Talk Sense

13 Jun 2014 16:05:19
twin towers was a inside job no doubt in my mind, a controlled demolition and maybe a missile hitting the towers, it does look like the planes melts in to the building on impact and the size of new york about 10 million people that no new footage of planes approaching have not been found, I think I have only seen at the most ten different angles of the plane for a tourist city that size I thought there would be a lot more, it is mind-blowing that they could pull that off but the explanation they have given then whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

 

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Yes Franky all those thousands of tourists walking around Manhattan with camcorders and not one of them picked up even a few shaky seconds of footage? The fact that the Naudet brothers footage is the only image we have is highly suspicious.

But Al Suqami's fireproof passport was found near the WTC so that's that right?

Ryan.
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Surely then franky by that rational, in a city of 10 million netoriously easy to piss off new yoikers. there would be masses of photos/videos showing a missile/unknown object hitting the towers? it seems odd that as you say there is so little footage either way? I woulda thought in new york of all places that many people would be hard to contol? I fully believe 9/11 to be ropey at best. just seems odd that rather than disecting the plane footage, no one seems to have video evidence of anything else hitting the towers? your thoughts?

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No one has footage of an airliner hitting the Pentagon, but we're supposed to believe that?

And no one has footage of an airliner crashing in Shanksville, or even debris on site, and we're supposed to believe that?

The only footage I have ever seen of WTC1 being hit was from the Naudet brothers, and the 'aircraft' seemed to disappear into the building like in a Disney cartoon.

Ryan.
{Ed033's Note - When I see the alleged plane disappearing into WTC2 up close, it's like a cartoon as the alleged plane just melts into the steel tower and that's the reason for the theory of a military missile being fired into WTC2 that's being cloaked by a 'plane' looking hologram (this would be black technology as we know nothing of this technology)
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I believe the idea of a missile cloaked by a 'plane' hologram is highly plausible Ed033.

The speed according to NIST is 510kts, which is consistent with a missile such as a tomahawk.

The 'aircraft' that hit WTC2 appears to have a missile or similar shaped object under it's fuselage.

The 'aircraft' is dark grey and doesn't look at all like a commercial airliner, and does not reflect the sun.

Ryan.
{Ed001's Note - I can understand the theory behind it, but I don't believe a missile did hit the towers.

From my understanding of what happens when a missile (or plane or other object, such as a car or lorry) hits a building, there is left behind an entry wound.

In the case of a missile, you usually just get a small wound, in the case of something like a plane, you get debris left behind as bits of the vehicle are left behind.

You would expect parts, such as the wings or engines, to be sheared off and drop to the ground.

Even saying that a plane really could melt into the building or it was a missile, this entry wound would be the main source of oxygenation for any fire that occurred, which it was claimed there was.

Also the flames from said fire should have been licking out around the entry wound, almost certainly climbing up the side of the building, if the fire was intense and large enough to damage the building.

I have seen lots of pictures and footage of smoke, but I can not remember a single sight of flames, which seems odd to me.

Knowing what we know about the power of suggestion, there would be no actual need to have a real plane hit the building, simply suggest it to eyewitnesses immediately afterwards, for them to believe it must have been a plane.

Tests have shown that eyewitness accounts are very suggestible, as the mind just gropes around for anything to fill in gaps in its knowledge.

I am beginning to think it was just a controlled demolition, with a bit of smoke or small explosions prior to said demolition, to give the suggestion of some kind of incident.

Then the footage with the planes emerges, clearly faked, as no plane melts into a building like that, and it becomes accepted by the vast majority that planes hit them.}
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frankyscouser
Gerry check this out ans see what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4VQs57m4So
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Discussion #2080Talk Sense

13 Jun 2014 12:16:07
Hey guys,

In the media at the moment about Rik Mayall's heart attack after going for a morning jog.

Quite like a jog myself, so I'm wondering if there actually are bad effects on the health and heart from moderate jogging and exercise, or if it's just another case of don't believe everything you read? Sure, you can't overdo things, but there must be a safe way of exercising for the young, middle-aged and elderly?

 

{Ed001's Note - jogging is of little to no benefit to the heart mate, it doesn't push it hard enough to gain any real benefits from it, it is just too gentle. Safe exercise is really a misnomer, for it to improve on your natural health and fitness, you have to push your body past its comfort zone. Oh and jogging is terrible on the knees. Not sure this is the right site for this to be discussed though. It has no real conspiracy involved does it?}
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Adam, most athletes don't jog anymore. They use a 3-speed variety routine (walk/jog/sprint), interchanging between them continuously and without a fixed sequence.

Ed001, I don't know of any conspiracy involving jogging but I do know one about shoes. I am only writing this as you mentioned knee problems in your reply to Adam.

The majority of shoe sole materials (wood, rubber etc. ) are natural insulators. In this way, wearing shoes keeps people from being electromagnetically grounded. If one is not regularly grounded, then the charge in their body increases. Other than making people extra irritable and irritating, this also results in the body becoming an excellent conductor to all the disharmonious and thus hazardous frequencies emitted by commercial electronics.

Additionally, they also impede the body from moving as designed. Shoes begin by deforming the feet. Furthermore, during walking or running they place extra pressure on the knee joints, as they restrict the movement of the ankle joints.
With the knee cartilage having to counterbalance the extra force, the body compensates by attempting to alleviate some of the weight above the knee joint. It does so by moving upper body weight off the axis of gravity. This causes the lower-spine to bend backwards, producing lower back problems and pain. Taller shoe heels mean more lower back problems.
Eventually the higher-spine/neck bends forwards trying to maintain the head on the gravity axis.
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Adam
Thank you for your replies.

I did question how it ties in with conspiracy, but I posted anyway since this is a great site full of thinkers who may have some useful info.

That said, I do wonder if perhaps there is a case of miss-info related to exercise in general. Some people seem adamant that jogging is bad for you and yet it is generally considered a healthy activity.
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Only thing jogging does is get the blood flowing, other than that, like ed said. it's not good enough, HIIT is best for fitness.
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For starters jogging burns fat which in its self makes you healthier
{Ed001's Note - not a lot of fat, not compared to doing other exercises, such as running or even walking. And just burning fat doesn't in itself make you healthier at all, not sure where you got that crap from.}
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So compared to jogging, walking burns more fat, hmm ok, any activity that burns fat will help keep you healthy as it will keep your bmi down, so in away "burning fat doesn't in its self make you healthier " is rubbish, you may be healthier even more if you do high intensity training as well as jogging but jogging will help keep you healthy in that it will help keep you at a healthy weight, imagine somebody over weeight saying they are only really intrested in jogging and your advice being safe exercise is a misnomer and won't make you healthier
{Ed001's Note - BMI down? Do you just make up nonsense in your head? BMI is a nonsensical index of complete meaninglessness as is well known. It is nothing to do with burning fat, that only affects your weight, which is very little to do with your health. It is your heart that you need to worry about, jogging does not work your heart enough to have any more effect than walking. There is no such thing as a healthy weight, that is a LIE, a flat out lie. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, everything you have said has shown a complete lack of any knowledge or intelligent reasoning. If somebody was overweight, I would not see any reason for that to be relevant, I know endurance swimmers and cage fighters that are extremely overweight but fitter than most of the population. Weight is only an issue for vanity's purpose. But someone unfit and heavily overweight going for a jog would just end up doing themselves damage.}
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Discussion #9405Talk Sense

13 Jun 2014 09:20:08
More a question for Kim Philby that anything else; I'm this is a topic that has been done to death on here but forgive me. What truly happened to Alexander Litvinenko?

 

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13 Jun 2014 12:32:55
He upset the wrong people, came to London, wasn't careful enough and the people he upset decided he was too much of a problem so solved the problem. As Stalin once said "death solves every problem. No man no problem". Someone was able to get close enough to poison him. Very likely the chap named in the investigation. And if I recall he was dosed several times.

This is why you should always stay on good terms with your former employers.

Kim Philby
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Discussion #10703Talk Sense

12 Jun 2014 23:11:17
Something that has always bothered me about 9/11.

According to the official NIST report, WTC1 was hit at 8. 46am, and WTC2 was hit at 9. 02am.

WTC2 'fell' at 9. 58am, or 56 minutes after it was hit. WTC1 'fell' exactly thirty minutes later at 10. 28am, or 102 minutes after it was hit.

Is it possible that the demolition was mistakenly done out of sequence? Shouldn't WTC1 have 'fallen' first?

Ryan.

 

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Being a controlled demolition, of sorts, I suppose they could have done it in any order, perhaps it was done in that order just to seem less staged? Less obvious?

I've always had a problem with the short periods of time between the collisions and collapses. As if such huge buildings could lose their structural integrity so quickly! Why did they do it that way? Well, the whole event from when it first came on the news to the aftermath of the 2nd tower falling took around and hour and a half, the length of a typical Hollywood movie. Just about perfect length of time to keep the public's concentration going IMO.

Harold
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Yes Harold the collapses happened far too quickly. Especially WTC2. I think they got the demolition (or dustification) sequence wrong. The collapses were exactly 30 minutes apart. I think they brought them down out of sequence by mistake.

Similarly with WTC7, it was reported collapsed live on TV by Jane Standley of the BBC while it was behind her in the background. And didn’t ‘collapse’ for a further 26 minutes.

As for today's question, the NIST report says that the 'planes' (Boeing 767-200's) hit the towers at 410kts and 510kts. Whatever about the first number being debatable, it is considered impossible by many pilots and aviation experts that a 767-200 could achieve 510kts at below 1000ft altitude, and certainly structural failure would occur long before that anyway.

I don’t know what hit the towers. It could have been a missile, or something else. I just don’t believe it was American 11 or United 175.

Ryan.
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Discussion #11410Talk Sense

12 Jun 2014 16:07:59
Hello everyone.

The conspiracist in me believes that a false flag or rigged vote will happen during the referendum for Scottish independence. Westminster are desperate for Scotland to remain chained to them. With a false flag their hope would be to unite us all in a time of need.

I believe the polls that show favour of a no vote ain't accurate as the consensus that I hear is more people are in favour of yes. There seems to be a class issue though as the wealthier scots tend to view that " I'm alright, why change" where as the rest of us are on our knees and can't bare to go on under Westminster rule any longer and are better taking our chances alone.

Does anyone else share the same thoughts on this as I'd love to hear from you's

Thanks guys

 

{Ed001's Note - would it not be more likely (and easier) that they will just rig the vote?}
RoscoJEF
Absolutely but just putting it out there to discuss Ed001. :-)
{Ed001's Note - ah ok, sorry.}
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If in anyway its going to harm the establishment yes they would rig the vote, I would make voting more transparent I would suggest you have to vote public and use a lego brick for whatever party you support red for labour blue for tories etc and what ever is the biggest lego statue wins.
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I think your wrong and the majority is on a no vote mate. Salmond is hated in many parts of Scotland especially amongst Protestants. As the SNP are against such things as the orange order. Someone bet 400k on a no vote the odds are heavily in favour of a no vote the bookies barely get it wrong. There will be no need for a false flag or a rig unless it's to favour Alex Salmond and the Yes Vote. I have nothing against the English I would rather stick together it's us the people who need to say no to the people at Holyrood & Westminster & take Britain back for the People!

RM8
{Ed001's Note - actually the bookies always get it wrong or there would be no book to run. There would only be the favourite and that is it. Bookies set odds based on what money has been placed and that bet was by an English guy in Surrey, hardly indicative of anything.}
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Hated by who? the most bigoted and hated element in Scottish history! Scotland is a progressive country, not stuck in the past like the orange order who are an anachronism! This is not about the S. N. P, this is about Scotland being able to vote for self determination. Not having Tories ruling us anymore. P. S. Alex Salmond is a protestant!
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This is what's wrong with Scotland. Everyone thinks it's about the snp. AS can't be hated that bad if he's in power just now & looks likely to keeping being FM even if it's a no vote.  


The Orange order have nothing to do with Scots, same with the republican walks too. It all boils down to the old firm.  


It's hard to believe people of Scotland would rather claim to be Irish or have a Irish connection rather than being Scottish. Same with how people can march to celebrate & follow 'the Orange order'. A march that celebrates the death of Catholics from 100s of years ago when really their own wife mother or father friends etc are likely from or connected to a Catholic faith.


Would like to see the views if these people who attend both Orange order & republican walks saw a walk to celebrate the death of a s


Sorry for being the political side of things into this but it's really Scotland's biggest problem in both sides yes or no vote.


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Discussion #9143Talk Sense

12 Jun 2014 14:04:44
a lot more people on the net nowdays trying to discredit people like icke /jones calling them shills and for anyone new to these type of conspiracies they are going to be unsure what to believe, I know some people on here are skeptical.

what even gets me confused is certain people on twitter who use a pusdo name and give great links and interesting stuff I have never heard off, slate the people I have mentioned, now that gets me suspicious if they are shills and are trying to discredit both men, the latest is Jones works for Rothschild and Ron Paul (american politician who never wanted america never to invade Iraq or Afghanistan) well he is supposed to be working for bush,

i am not going to go threw a big list why I believe in icke and jones because its not the subject I want, either you believe them or you don't, its the guys who are trying to discredit them, I will use a example,


last year I was browsing on the net and saw some interesting links then found out the guy with the links was on facebook, so I followed him, got chatting about his personal stuff on why he was posting certain topics anyway I just mentioned I go on this site and has great links as well and he should check it out, anyway a few days later I got a private message calling me a shill and this site a joke, to be honest I was pretty p****d off and asked wtf is his problem he replied something he was suspicious of the site over the disclaimer about not taking things to seriously or something like that but I am pretty sure its the same guy calling icke and jones shills, the top and tail of it is the internet now is full of dis info and its so hard to find out anything genuine and that's why I tend to stick to guys who have been calling this stuff for years like jones over waco and icke when he was ridiculed, was wondering if any of the edds or anyone feels the same way?

 

{Ed033's Note - yes, there has to be a number of paid agents on social media, web sites that diss and seed doubt about the real researchers. What that can lead to is genuine people who are on social media and have web sites believing the agents and and diss the real researchers themselves.
frankyscouser
You know what edd the bizarre news I tend to believe more because no one tends to believe it.
{Ed001's Note - did you ever read Fortean Times then franky?}
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No mate, remind me what its about?
{Ed001's Note - I don't know if it is still going, but it was a magazine that used to document weird stories from around the world. It was fascinating.}
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Cheers will bookmark it and see if anything interesting turns up.

http://www.forteantimes.com/
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