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20 May 2014 22:47Discussion #10666Talk Sense

20 May 2014 22:19:54
I herd something on the radio earlier today that said the u. s. Had used a vaccine programme for hepatitis in Pakistan to gather intelligence through DNA to trace Osama bin laden. It was this process that less them to him throu vaccinating and tracing family members. In then goes on to say that the u. s. Will now not use this method in future to gain intelligence.
Right ok, I thought is check the new to rad a bit more and I can hardly find anything on major news which to me and should be to the general public an effing big deal. I'm amazed it's not had more coverage. I'm skeptical that it lead to them finding Osama, even less skeptical that they would stop using it in the future and where else has this been going on. It reports that the "Taliban" have stopped any polio vaccinations taking place in Pakistan because of what has gone on.

Supasub

Not Registered21 May 2014 00:01

Apologies for some spelling. Effing phone and middle aged thumbs.

{Ed007's Note - Don't worry about that Supa, it still made sense. Right enough I'm dyslexic!}

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Not Registered21 May 2014 00:01

Supasub do you really think that was OBL they killed?

Ryan.

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Not Registered21 May 2014 06:43

I doubt it. That wasn't the point though. It's the low level exposure in the media of the method used for intelligence which could be getting used or has been used in many parts of the world.

Supasub

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frankyscouser21 May 2014 10:48

When its in the news its theater playing to the audience, when its not in the news its like a jigsaw with half the pieces missing.

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Not Registered21 May 2014 13:00

Ah sorry Supa, now I get you.

Ryan.

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20 May 2014 18:42Discussion #9131Talk Sense

20 May 2014 19:21:38
not my type of subject but anyone have a idea why all these sink holes are propping up all over the world? seen another one in america.

Not Registered20 May 2014 19:30

Has anyone seen a silver bloke on a surfboard making a quick getaway?

Who knows but it can't be a good thing.

Mort

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Not Registered20 May 2014 20:50

20 May 2014 21:38:21
Tonnes in Florida due to the whole state being made out of limestone

Stee

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Not Registered21 May 2014 08:37

Saw this on the news yesterday Frankie and thought the same thing. Wouldn't have anything to do with the chemicals being sprayed would it? Just moved to Queensland and this place is getting smashed, daily.

Melbourne CFC

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frankyscouser21 May 2014 10:48

Have no clue mate, it can't help that's for sure.

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Not Registered24 May 2014 10:52

Sorry but they could be from tremors lol

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20 May 2014 12:55Discussion #10665Talk Sense

20 May 2014 12:09:43
Hey People,

I'm not a regular poster but I spent a lot of time on here. Maybe too much time:)

I was hoping someone might be able to point me in the direction of some good Nazi literature - I get bored watching YouTube all the time. I've just ordered Grey Wolf, although it had a lot of bad reviews, are there any others worth reading? I'm not minted so they need to be cheapish, I've tried getting the Dr Judy 9/11 book but that's just crazy expensive! Anything else, Nazi or otherwise, would be much appreciated too. I spend a lot of time travelling so need something to pass the time Thanks, in advance, for your help:)

AngryChef

{Ed033's Note - Harry Cooper's book Escape from the Bunker can be downloaded in pdf or epub on the left side here:

https://archive.org/details/EscapeFromTheBunker

Not Registered21 May 2014 05:56

20 May 2014 23:15:56
Ed of the other nazis do you think escaped? Hitler obviously but other than that. I think we can discount Goering, Goebbels and Himmler. Bormann I've always thought did, fake dental records of course. What do you think?

Kim Philby

{Ed033's Note - Bormann definitely escaped I think, one reason being, he was a financial genius and he was 'masterminding' or managing where all the loot was being placed after the war I think.

There was a story that Bormann walked into a bank somewhere in europe after the war with a gold bond (I think) for an amount greater than people in the bank thought possible.

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20 May 2014 10:00Discussion #9130Talk Sense

20 May 2014 09:48:01
right forget all the religious of this aspect of this top, what do you all think of reincarnation?i only ask that because my wife's niece when she was two or three went past a building that used to be a sweet shop thirty years previously and she asked where is it now, her mum asked her what it was like inside the shop, she described it perfectly and gave names of the owners and regular characters that were always hanging around the shop, the kids mum only found out if this was true from her older sister that the names of the people around the shop were correct, pretty weird stuff.

{Ed033's Note - Documentary showing evidence of reincarnation?

The Boy who iived before

frankyscouser20 May 2014 15:27

Yeah edd seen that last year, I found it quite moving.

{Ed033's Note - yes, I put it up for anyone who hasn't seen it. It's evidence that some people remember info that they shouldn't know, unless there is more going on than mainstream science tells us.

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Not Registered20 May 2014 15:27

Very unsettling story. The boy seems genuine. And your wife's niece sounds genuine too Franky. You can't put something like that down to a child's imagination. It's way too specific and detailed.

Ryan.

{Ed033's Note - The other young lad (american) in the video who appears to have at least some his own grandfather's memories is also intriguing as well

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Not Registered20 May 2014 17:28

I am not convinced that reincarnation functions in the way we are lead to believe.

I seem to gravitate towards the idea of a higher dimensional aetheric field. This field has been hypothesized since ancient times and would account for the phenomenon of various people having expressed identical knowledge throughout the ages, without the possibility of contact.

Perhaps it is the place we reside in after we die and before we are born.
A place where the universal patterns transform energy into matter and time is a traceable string.
zari

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frankyscouser20 May 2014 18:42

To be honest the wife's niece (who is grown up now in her 20s)sounded like her nan who died a couple of years earlier, according to my wife she was very matter of fact about the subject, now she can not remember anything, another thing I seen was on "this morning" with phillip schofield were they looked into this subject, here is the link were schofield is regressed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn91yn3H-Mc

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Not Registered20 May 2014 19:30

Anyone considered that it's just down to something we can't explain? There doesn't have to be a conspiracy behind it!

jg

{Ed033's Note - you could say that about most everything talked about on this site. i.e. Anyone considered the toasted cars on 9/11 is just down to something we can't explain? There doesn't have to be a conspiracy behind it!

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20 May 2014 08:41Discussion #9129Talk Sense

20 May 2014 09:33:01
was that a genuine question edd? ha no I do think were I live the economics will get better in the next 5 years, quite the opposite.

{Ed033's Note - I bet lots of people believe that the economy will improve by itself in a few years time and government austerity measures will also improve the economy

Not Registered20 May 2014 10:00

20 May 2014 10:37:47
Economics in broad terms is cyclical and the post war economics of Britain have always followed the housing market. Each boom period is followed by a bust, 50's, 70's, the late 80's boom and 90's recession and the last decade. There is no reason to suggest the pattern will be broken. And already house prices are back on their way up.

So superficially I think the economy will improve or it will look like that to some people, especially the middle incomes. To the lower incomes it will not. Of course the fundamental underlying problems of the economy will remain unsorted so in reality the economy will not improve.

Kim Philby

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Not Registered20 May 2014 15:05

The word economy comes from the ancient greek oikos=home and nomos=law.

Basing my opinion on the etymology of the word economy, I would have to say that as long as people mistake boxes for houses and houses for homes, people are going to continue to suffer from mislabeled monetary policies.

Kim made a great point about the cyclical nature of this farce/fartus.
Growth is followed by inflation, prosperity is followed by dept, spiritual awakening by spectacular displays of the savagery of competition.
zari

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Not Registered20 May 2014 15:05

I expect things to slowly get worse over the next few years. If interest rates go up a lot of people will be unable to afford to pay their mortgages. And if they stay low, economic growth is almost impossible. It's hard to be optimistic these days.

Ryan.

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frankyscouser20 May 2014 15:27

Edd those are the sheep who believe that it will get better and Kim the artificial house price is just as you say artificial, unless there is a another major war I think this will happen in the USA before 2020 since America has bought millions of dollars of guns and bullets and like I said once america goes under we will be next.

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Not Registered20 May 2014 16:19

20 May 2014 16:53:44
The Americans must be running out of people to fight though?

The previous middle east excursions have hardly been a success. There was no appetite for involvement in Libya. Putin to his credit rebuffed them on Syria. It would be even harder to start anything with Iran. The Ukraine flare up has potential but nobody is surely stupid enough to start on Russia? Same with the Chinese. So where are they going to start this war to save the economy.

Franky did you not have the theory they were stockpiling in case it was needed for domestic use in crows control etc?

Back to the economy i'm not so gloomy. These things do go in cycles. Things haven't been as bad as the 30's. Maybe its because in a different age and from a different country I don't think things are as bad as I've seen worse.

Kim Philby

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19 May 2014 13:54Discussion #10664Talk Sense

19 May 2014 14:33:51
{Ed033's Note - Unfortunately this is an advert but this is about the huge financial trouble the people in Britain face if the the interest rate ever rises.

frankyscouser19 May 2014 16:33

I do believe this will happen sooner than later, once the united states goes under then it will be a pack of cards folding then we will be next, I think it was published in the media last week that the top 300 in the wealth list in this country have more money combined than the whole of the uk, all of these 300 will be notified away ahead of time to get there money out before the s**t hits the fan and of course the elitist will not feel the hardship.

one thing I do not agree with is this pinning the borrowing all on the state, go back how many years ago it was created the simple truth is if they paid normal working class people appropriate wages then there would be less people relying on the state, it seems to me that this has been done by design to keep us reliant on government handouts, the thing I would really love to know is who is the people/cooperation's who are calling in these debts now?

one last note I am not clever enough to sort out our problems but if I had my way, who ever we owed money to I would say we will not be paying you back like it or lump it or better still you can have the monarchy, second I would not import anything, surly we have the capabilities to feed /warm /help/ build ourselves but for all that to happen we would have to get rid of these clowns in power now, in a macabre kind of way that will only happen realistically when these debts are called in.

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Not Registered20 May 2014 12:55

Wish I never watched this now. It's ruined my day off. How depressing.

{Ed033's Note - I guess you should have watched The boy who lived before video documentary above (if you hadn't seen it before)

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19 May 2014 09:01Discussion #9128Talk Sense

19 May 2014 09:54:52
to be honest I always thought Hitler escaping to Argentina was a urban myth, but the more I read up about it on this site the more I think it was possible, so my vote is yes.

Not Registered19 May 2014 11:53

19 May 2014 11:54:32
Growing up it was inconceivable he could have gotten away. But my father and a lot of other veterans suspected he escaped. And although the official soviet view was events happened as depicted unofficially there was the suspicion aiding by distrust of the Americans who as we know are not trustworthy.

Kim Philby

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Not Registered19 May 2014 11:53

I think if you look at the huge ego of the man, he was not the type to allow himself to be cornered and take his own life.
It's said he was flown to Norway via Denmark on April 30th 1945, but he could have been gone even before then. Several U boats made the trip to Argentina. One at least, was sunk off the coast of the US, but it was believed more than one made it to Argentina. Eisenhower and Stalin both have said on the record that they believed Hitler survived beyond the war.

The corpse alleged to be Hitler was clearly someone else. I'm absolutely convinced that he made it to Argentina and lived until 1962. This wasn't planned at the last minute; the Nazi's had been moving a huge amount of wealth to Argentina for some time. There is plenty of evidence that he lived in Argentina, and none that he died in Berlin.

Ryan.

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Not Registered19 May 2014 13:54

19 May 2014 14:13:04
You also have to look at the complicity of the Vatican and the then pope as well as many nazis escaped that way. I agree it was planned in advance which shows what sort of leadership it was.

Two questions. Why was he allowed to escape and if it was known he had escaped why was he not hunted down. Somebody had to gain something from his escape but who and what.

Kim Philby

{Ed033's Note - A theory was that a deal was done between the Nazis and the Allies and the deal was not just about hitler.

The deal could be that most of the german scientists would work for the allies to show the allies the high tech stuff the Germans had developed.

Also the Nazis would lend money to the allies to help rebuild Europe. And The Nazis wouldn't use any super-high tech weaponry (unknown to the Allies e.g. Die Glocke after WW2 ended) on the Allies.

In return, the Allies would let hundreds of nazi vips escape, then be left alone with all the loot they had acquired to do with as they pleased.

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Not Registered20 May 2014 08:22

It returned to the news recently, when a new book was released alleging he ended up in Brazil where he remarried. Think the article appeared in The Daily Express (I know). Here's a link:
http://tinyurl.com/lnzbwel

Geordiesteve

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Not Registered20 May 2014 13:08

There is plenty of evidence to support the theory put forth by ed033.
Operation paperclip is well documented and quite a few books have been written about it. Some delved on nazi technological advances quite a lot and make for a very interesting read.
zari

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19 May 2014 03:35Discussion #10663Talk Sense

19 May 2014 01:02:14
Hi all, Iv been searching videos about the death of Diana, old news I know! But there are many loose ends to even try and tie this up. I didn't know that the car that crashed was a Merc which had its microchip for its on board computer stolen which controls its steering/braking/ sat nav/ etcI rekon it was a hit from mi6 on behalf on the Monarchy, anyone else?

cheers Roddy

Not Registered19 May 2014 08:37

There is also a white fiat (small hatch back) leaving the scene/tunnel that has never been traced.
She was definately knocked off or even possibly still alive. I believe she knew too much and may have even been pregnant with a potential Muslim child in line to the throne.

Supasub

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Not Registered19 May 2014 08:37

19 May 2014 09:22:51
Definitely a hit but I have a feeling it was outsourced by mi6 to give some level of deniability. Also you don't have the reputation for eliminating problems in this way.

I think there's 3 viable contenders: the French, Mossad, or ex KGB.

The French would have the advantage of operating on home territory making surveillance, the approach and the escape easier.

Mossad have a lot of problem eliminating experience and the chance to take out the son of a high profile arab, even as a secondary target would be appealing.

And in '97 there were plenty of ex KGB available for hire especially from Department V.

Kim Philby

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frankyscouser19 May 2014 08:51

There is a Keith Allen documentary about this conspiracy that is banned in this country, I will try to dig out a link so you can stream it, Allen before he done this documentary was a skeptic that this was a hit, now he has admitted he does not know what to think, will post the link tonight.

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Boozy8219 May 2014 13:02

Franky, I watched that documentary myself. Think it was on a Dutch website, can't remember the name though. In my view she was most definately killed and that documentary cemented my view.

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Not Registered19 May 2014 22:16

Apparently the 'Boston Brakes' method was used to crash the car. It is also alleged that something similar was used with Michael Hastings' car.

I've read that in pre-Christian times, the Pont de l'Alma was a pagan sacrificial site.

Ryan.

Ed007's Note - Have a wee read at this, there is LOADS of reading to be done on the subject:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/princess-dianas-death-and-memorial-the-occult-meaning/

http://princess-diana-murder.blogspot.co.uk/

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=424

http://thetruthbehindthescenes.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/princess-diana-death-conspiracy/

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18 May 2014 21:13Discussion #10662Talk Sense

18 May 2014 21:58:26
Has anyone noticed the rise in Hollywood films of Chinese and north Korean villains?

Kim Philby

Not Registered18 May 2014 22:48

James Bond usually had a Russian baddie. In the late 90s Hollywood had a taste for English bad guys before 9/11 switched baddie-focus to the middle east. Who do you think the bas guys are in Chinese films?

Pablo

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frankyscouser18 May 2014 22:48

Cia funded propaganda

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Not Registered19 May 2014 03:35

19 May 2014 00:22:41
I know, I enjoy the bond films, especially Octopussy (worked in East Germany), View To A Kill (worked out that way), and the Living Daylights (spent time in Bratislava) we used to enjoy watching smuggled in copies. I even copied the hairstyle of the girl from the Living Daylights.

I think just use British actors for villains as you make better actors and the American mentality is to always be the hero.

As for the current trends its just interesting to see which way they are leaning, I expect it to be back to Russian villains soon.

Kim Philby

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Not Registered19 May 2014 15:28

Franky, are you saying every single film that contains a terrorism theme or a action thriller which shows Chinese, Korean or Russian is funded by the US government?

Jg

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Not Registered19 May 2014 16:33

19 May 2014 17:23:32
It wouldn't have to be direct funding. It could be in the form of tax breaks. Many films make use of US military assets, films like Top Gun or the transformers franchise, have made use of military equipment and personal. Obviously this wouldn't come cheap but costs could be waived. Both films have been used as recruitment propaganda and have shown spikes in enlistment after going on release. Then there are various other costs that could be cut by government involvement, such as location costs which could be minimised by using government owned land or buildings.

Kim Philby

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18 May 2014 14:50Discussion #2026Talk Sense

18 May 2014 15:26:57
Talking about unknown creatures there has anyone seen this? It may be faked probably is creepy if it's not though.

Mermaid, Alien, Captured By Diving Vessel Camera?

http://youtu.be/8ROaTfBILM8

{Ed033's Note - looks like a very good fake imo.

Back to yeti/bigfoot
Yeti in Bhutan - unknown dna hair follicle was found from yeti 'den'

frankyscouser18 May 2014 19:55

Great find edd, funny how this does not make worldwide news, so people who find it hard to believe that there is no scientific proof then watch this.

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18 May 2014 09:17Discussion #9127Talk Sense

18 May 2014 10:12:43
yeti and bigfoot imo have to be related, to many consequences on being allusive walking upright /food source etc etc.

to be honest I am quite surprised there was more people who thought bigfoot never existed.

{Ed033's Note - The evidence for big foot is fairly extensive, including dna. The problem is, if you have some anomalous dna which doesn't match up to any dna in the database of known living entities on Earth, mainstream science and mainstream media ignore it.

frankyscouser18 May 2014 10:19

We find different species every day but the question has to be asked if they found a bigfoot it would open a can of worms about our dna and where we really came from.

{Ed033's Note - yes, it would open a can of worms

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Not Registered18 May 2014 12:28

18 May 2014 13:27:30
I don't know much about the subject so I didn't vote. To be honest it is an area I know little about and that only thanks to this site and people on here who are interested in it. I do think it exists but I would like to raise two points.

1. Academics tend to be extremely blinkered and only look for evidence that supports their theory. Any little inconveniences that go against their work tend to be ignored at best and suppressed at worst. It gets worse when you take into account commercial funding as then they are paid to support whatever view their sponsors are pushing.

2. Who's to say that they haven't found one or at least the proof and have suppressed it as it would raise far too many questions and blow too many holes into the established wisdom

Kim Philby

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Not Registered18 May 2014 14:50

Like KP I have little knowledge so won't be voting on this one, I am open minded though and interested in any links/sources that can be shared.

Franky, I have seen the Patterson tapes before but due to my limited imagination on the subject find it hard to believe as the real thing. But then I have nothing to base this on or to compare with I just find it hard to believe the way it walks and turns around towards the camera.

I would be interested in a poll, do the patteron tapes show a real bigfoot? To see what the consensus is.

Harold

P.s. Predictive text (annoying) always changes 'franky' to 'cranky' on my phone so don't be offended if I ever refer to you as the latter it will be a mistake :D

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frankyscouser18 May 2014 16:37

Wife calls me cranky so no sweat, the patterson tape shows no human was in a suit, the way it walks is not human like the arms are huge and swing in a ape like manner and as it turns it head you can see the muscle definition in its back and buttocks, put it this way if footage today was found I would be a lot more skeptical with hoaxes and things they can do now days , this tape is over forty years old and to stood up the test of time in my opinion.

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Not Registered19 May 2014 08:37

19 May 2014 09:30:50
Do you think Yeti and Big Foot are the same creature or separate? They could have started from a common ancestor then evolved to fit habitat?

Kim Philby

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18 May 2014 03:26Discussion #10661Talk Sense

17 May 2014 21:58:18
what if any bands do you think are linked to the illuminati?

I was listening to lyrics from Led Zep Kashmir and it some of them are well you know the rest

Not Registered18 May 2014 10:34

Potentially most of the black artists in hip hop, r&b etc in America. Possibly people like justin beiber, Miley Cyrus, the disney camp lot (can't remember them all).
In the past references to the Beatles, (franky might have something to say about them), chilli peppers, nirvana, green day, kiss, pink Floyd, Madonna and many more. There is also stuff regarding some of those acts that may have been "awake" and were anti illuminati such as possibly, nirvana, pink Floyd and Beatles, maybe even public enemy who I used to listen to in my younger years.

Supasub

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Not Registered18 May 2014 14:50

I raised the question regarding the Beatles influences some time ago. Chris Spivey has recently done a blog on his website relating to this and other artists of the era, if anyone is interested. he thinks Paul McCartney and other artists were drawn towards the occult.

Someone posted a link to an hour long illuminati documentary on here some time ago which showed how many of the current pop stars seem to be being used to push agendas, such as Katy Perry etc. All her recent songs, videos, albums show blatent symbology. it was a good, basic run down of the subject with lots of current examples from the industry - I will locate it if anyone cannot find it.

Vigilant citizen is a good website for illuminati symbolism found in our media. I would recommend it to anyone who is interested in the subject.

We also had an interesting discussion some weeks ago about the laurel canyon scene in the 60's/70's which I found particularly interesting.

I personally believe that all forms of mainstream media are used to push agendas and influence us in the way TPTB wish. The more popular the artist/channel/programme the more likely it is to be under influence. The blatent sexualisation of children through pop music (which is aimed towards young people specifically) has to be one of the most obvious examples IMO.

Harold

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Not Registered18 May 2014 15:02

I don't think there's many of them directly linked maybe only a few if any who really know what's going on and what there doing. I think they may be influenced to do and say & sing about things and put messages in there videos by people above them but, Solely for money & the fact if they don't they're careers get sabotaged & they end up hated, potless or even worse dead.

The old sell your soul thing could be true but not by actually selling your soul to the devil just giving up on your morals or unsuspectingly maybe in some cases intentionally affecting the minds & life's of the youth of today for personal gain. If someone can control the masses with there music then you can guarantee they'll be drafted in and there message will change.

If anyone's doing the "illuminatis" work it's Jay-Z, Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Madonna, Rihanna, Kanye West P-Diddy, Nicki Minaj & possibly Pharrell I said a year ago he would quickly become one of the biggest stars in the world & he has you could see a change happening in his career & I hope that's through his own talents he seems a decent guy.

I think Justin Beiber & Miley Cyrus are just messed up spoiled kids & Illuminati wannabes I don't think they could be trusted there too stupid. Beiber was found just by posting videos of him singing on YouTube just as a young innocent kid. Miley came through the evil Disney Route she maybe in the last list. People who have spoke out about them and there careers have went south although they will always have millions of fans there's plenty.

John Lennon, Michael Jackson, Bob Marley, Tupac, Eminem, DMX, 50 Cent, Ice Cube, Lil Wayne, Nas. Most of them spoke out because they were probably tired of being told what message to send to there fans so I'm not saying they didn't work for "them" I'm the first place. It's not so far fetched that the music industry is used to control & in the past stir things up.

There will be many who haven't spoke out publicly but might have felt the effects of the Influential ones. Such as Kurt Cobain, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Whitney Houston, Biggie Smalls, Buddy Holly, Otis Reading maybe even Amy Winehouse who really knows.

That's just the music Industry you've got Actors, Models, politicians even presidents influential people In all walks of life even the little guy who stands up like Malcolm X. Lady Di who tried to get herself out of it but sadly couldn't & was murdered. I may not be right in all my names but I'm sure I'm not that far away.

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Not Registered18 May 2014 16:37

I meant to say that IMO the artists being manipulated are not aware of this in most cases, they are just doing what they are told to gain fame and notoriety. But the labels etc. advise them to act in ways that push the agendas of the people who control this industry and others. The agendas are pushed through symbolism in videos, photoshoots and album covers and through the lyrics and themes of songs. Most pop stars behaviour of promisquity, drug use etc. only goes to help push these agendas. Celeb magazines amplify this by advertising their every step as though people should be more interested in the lives of celebrities than their own.

The fact that children look up to these people is worrying and helps explain why western society is heading the way it is I.e. Materialistic. That is what TPTB want, for us to be 'trapped by consumerism' and aspire only to be famous, rich or promisquous. On the TV side of things, my other half watches Made in Chelsea, my god if that is what young people aspire to be like then we are in trouble, lol

Harold

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Not Registered18 May 2014 16:37

I agree anon, Michael Jackson is a credible example of someone who may have been acting out against these people. His speech against Sony, then his death under somewhat suspicious circumstances. His sister believes he was killed by the same people who controlled him, she only refers to them as 'they' or 'them'.

Sony still looking to make money out of him after death I believe? Possibly more than ever. Michael's daughter posted that she knew who the 'they' is in the song 'they don't really care about us' then posted a number of illuminati/masonic symbols.

I know nothing of MJ's alleged crimes against children so have no idea if he was innocent or guilty but either way it could be argued that the trials against him could have been a good way of controlling him if and when he acted up?

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