P.s if you really are going to reduce every post to a bout of sanctimonious sarcasm then maybe you should not post.
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Come on mate I am mroe than happy to be challenged - I just HATE when someone puts someone else down for a difference of opinion and calls them unintelligent or words to that affect, that's all. I am more than happy to be challenged. We just all need to have a bit of diplomacy in our posts that's all. Respect each other.
Btw I really would be curious to hear your answers to those questions!
Btw, IMO Illuminati aren't secret - the way they operate, to an extent, or who their members are, perhaps is, but you can't keep something secret and condition people. The whole point of conditioning is that you drip-feed people with information. When it is subliminal they aren't meant to notice but many do. Others notice once it is pointed out to them. The point is, they don't want us to hate them, they want us to love and follow them, and to do that you have to maintain some sort of presence. I.e. it is completely in their interests, if they DO exist, to make themselves known.
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Read discussionBtw I really would be curious to hear your answers to those questions!
Btw, IMO Illuminati aren't secret - the way they operate, to an extent, or who their members are, perhaps is, but you can't keep something secret and condition people. The whole point of conditioning is that you drip-feed people with information. When it is subliminal they aren't meant to notice but many do. Others notice once it is pointed out to them. The point is, they don't want us to hate them, they want us to love and follow them, and to do that you have to maintain some sort of presence. I.e. it is completely in their interests, if they DO exist, to make themselves known.
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Sorry, Ghandi**
Read discussionIlluminati control media. Last time I checked, media don't operate out of domed buildings... I agree with this poster, get over the owl building stuff haha.
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See, you leave a post like that and it makes for sensible reading mate. It makes me want to go and look into things you talk about....
Cheers,
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Even in a minority of one, the truth is still the truth......Mahatma Ghandi
Read discussionP.s. DBTS another note: you seem to lump everyone in together- just because someone thinks the moons stuff was, at one point, staged, which it was, or that the illuminati exist, does not mean they also think their were Aztec spaceships and aliens.
I also have to say that if you completely refute the concept of alien life, then again, that is simply mad. The fact that is has already been discovered that there was once life on Mars cannot be ignored. That, in whatever form it comes in, is Alien.
Think you need to chill out, separate the issues that are being discussed.
You know there are families of those who died on 9/11 who have been appealing to the US govt, FBI, CIA and anyone else for the release of crime scene details which explain exactly how the towers came down etc, and CCTV (which inexplicably went missing) of surrounding areas... guess what mate, 10 years later they still haven't been given it. Do you not find it deeply suspicious that those who volunteered, all the firefighters etc, on 9/11, weren't invited to the memorial day?
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Read discussionI also have to say that if you completely refute the concept of alien life, then again, that is simply mad. The fact that is has already been discovered that there was once life on Mars cannot be ignored. That, in whatever form it comes in, is Alien.
Think you need to chill out, separate the issues that are being discussed.
You know there are families of those who died on 9/11 who have been appealing to the US govt, FBI, CIA and anyone else for the release of crime scene details which explain exactly how the towers came down etc, and CCTV (which inexplicably went missing) of surrounding areas... guess what mate, 10 years later they still haven't been given it. Do you not find it deeply suspicious that those who volunteered, all the firefighters etc, on 9/11, weren't invited to the memorial day?
Raz
I despise Soviet Russia and China. State capitalism is not true Socialism. I also do not believe in perfect utopias but I do not think Capitalism works very well when you look at the global picture. Its a question of priority, I believe society should be built around the principles of fairness equality and collective endevour.
Thank God for Socialists though. Before Socialist parties and unions existed we had no voting rights or paid holiday or free health care or free education the list goes on....
And Guevara was a hundred times more a man than David Cameron, Jeremey Hunt or Gideon Osbourne! Che had people executed yes and I totally support that, Robespiere executed thousands again I can understand why and England beheaded a King and to not do it would have been a greater crime.
Che gave his life to try and give humanity a better future,neither you or I have done that!
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Read discussionThank God for Socialists though. Before Socialist parties and unions existed we had no voting rights or paid holiday or free health care or free education the list goes on....
And Guevara was a hundred times more a man than David Cameron, Jeremey Hunt or Gideon Osbourne! Che had people executed yes and I totally support that, Robespiere executed thousands again I can understand why and England beheaded a King and to not do it would have been a greater crime.
Che gave his life to try and give humanity a better future,neither you or I have done that!
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P.s. LFC I agree it is horrible and a desperate shame. Instead, people like me end up working for a year just to afford to go out and volunteer for 4 months in poor countries and ultimately come home feeling like we didn't change anything. What people should be asking is WHY we don't do anything to truly help.
Read discussionIf they are secretive why do they do things in patterns you idiot! Your right though this is a conspiracy page and I am too political, great the way you dont like being challenged you just want theorists to post!
This will be my last post tho as I should try and gate crash this party. Fair point though I shouldnt have come on posting about politics and current affairs shoulda stuck to men in cloaks and aztec aliens.
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Read discussionThis will be my last post tho as I should try and gate crash this party. Fair point though I shouldnt have come on posting about politics and current affairs shoulda stuck to men in cloaks and aztec aliens.
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In fairness I get this all the time. But it's in a weird way. For example, I saw a certain car the other day that I hadn't seen for a long time. It caught my eye and then made me think about the last time I was in one when I was really young.
Next day I have an email saying 'antique car raffle prize' bla bla bla, I was just thinking 'whaaaaat'. Bit more to it than that but you get the gist! This happens all the time.
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Read discussionNext day I have an email saying 'antique car raffle prize' bla bla bla, I was just thinking 'whaaaaat'. Bit more to it than that but you get the gist! This happens all the time.
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LFC - is Noah's Arc stuff about the Atlantis flooding then? It is common conception that the stories in the bible are metaphors that translate what previous ages of man have documented in their histories - if the purpose of the flood was to eradicate a bloodline leaving only the good seed, does this not tie in with how Atlantis wiped everyone out but now we're here?
What apparent historical event do you think Noah's Arc ties in with mate?
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Read discussionWhat apparent historical event do you think Noah's Arc ties in with mate?
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Sorry but I look at the Washington building that is apparently owl-shaped and I think that is the daftest most tenuous link to a shape I have ever seen.
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Er.... I don't think anyone is saying that Nazi, snake men or aliens are the illuminati mate....
Read discussionYeah to be fair I am with you on that Martin.
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Wow, what a nice post to wake up to....not.
DBTS, what you are forgetting is this is not a current/previous affairs page, this is not a 'historical events that show you who your government really is' page - it is a CONSPIRACY THEORY page.
Why are you even here if all you are going to do is crap on everyone who have a different opinion to yourself? I have lived in Liverpool for a long time and I have to say a Scouser is 'always right', and even if you aren't one, you sound like one. The fact that some conspiracy theories clearly highlight the Chavez incident as being of deeply suspicious nature is lost on you. The difference is that some people are on here looking at these events and asking the question 'why?' not 'how could they?' If you think every bit of fighting that breaks out in the middle east, be it Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, wherever, is a separate, completely unrelated event to the next, and that Chavez was, maybe you should do some reading mate. I am not saying you are wrong, but you are utterly convinced you're right without knowing any more than anyone else, and without knowing what we know either.
What some people believe IS that they're linked. How can you be so sure that the countless atrocities carried out by the west are not part of some conspiracy? How do you KNOW that? You don't mate. SO why leave such a ridiculously hostile post? Why are you even here? Do you go to a gay bar and call everyone fags? Probably not, so why go on a conspiracy site and call everyone loons and tell them they read crap.
How do you know some people on here if not all haven't read all about Marx? Or the Chavez saga? I for one have. I have told you that before.
What astounds me is that the concept of the Illuminati, in modern terms, is a very Western-led thing - yes they are all over the world, apparently, but USA is the supposed 'greatest super-power', and that is where, it is assumed, the Illuminati pull most of their strings. You talk about Western atrocities- yet is doesn't occur to you that you are proving a point, that it actually COULD be something greater than a simple government act that is 'atrocious'. Don't you ever sit there and wonder why the government carries out these atrocities? Have you never heard of a False Flag operation?
A lot of this depends on scale. These theories require the action of an organisation that operates at a scale and depth that is so vast it is very difficult to imagine. But things have been happening on unimaginable scales since the dawn of man, these thigns only seem unimaginable to the modern man who thinks if it can't be done in 2 seconds and with the flick of a switch, it's probably not possible.
What you also fail to consider is exactly how capitalism is the Catalyst, should Illuminati exist. It makes perfect sense. Everything you have told people to consider and go read about actually point towards there being some bigger picture that the common man simply does not feel or notice in their day-today life.
In a nutshell, you strike me as not only hostile in your opinion, but utterly convinced of your own intelligence. If you know so much mate, why are you on here, and why are you not doing something more worthwhile with your life like changing the world?
George Bush was a puppet, and a bad one at that. FACT. Do you never ask - whose puppet? Moon landing stuff was held secret, not released to the public, and deep suspicion still shrouds that hole saga - FACT. I suppose you read all the reason why and thought 'naah, they aren't lying to us'.
I really dislike it when someone who thinks they know everything about everything comes along and runs their mouth, puts people down with stupid gimmick comments like 'buy Bargain books for dummies' etc etc, and then totally contradicts themselves with almost every point they make.
Answer this question, if you will, seeing as you already know the answer it seems:
Why is there poverty and starvation in less-developed, famine-ridden countries?
Answer this too please : why did Neil Armstrong refuse to speak in any depth in public about his trip to the moon?
Also: do you feel that if there was no hint of threat to the US government, it would have an excuse to finance it's military?
Do you not find it a very strange coincidence that Sept 11th keeps cropping up in dates of historical disasters?
Come on mate, if you genuinely believe that there is nothing suspicious going on all across our world then that is worrying. You'll sit here saying capitalism is doing this and that, but you won't question why.
Raz
Read discussionDBTS, what you are forgetting is this is not a current/previous affairs page, this is not a 'historical events that show you who your government really is' page - it is a CONSPIRACY THEORY page.
Why are you even here if all you are going to do is crap on everyone who have a different opinion to yourself? I have lived in Liverpool for a long time and I have to say a Scouser is 'always right', and even if you aren't one, you sound like one. The fact that some conspiracy theories clearly highlight the Chavez incident as being of deeply suspicious nature is lost on you. The difference is that some people are on here looking at these events and asking the question 'why?' not 'how could they?' If you think every bit of fighting that breaks out in the middle east, be it Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, wherever, is a separate, completely unrelated event to the next, and that Chavez was, maybe you should do some reading mate. I am not saying you are wrong, but you are utterly convinced you're right without knowing any more than anyone else, and without knowing what we know either.
What some people believe IS that they're linked. How can you be so sure that the countless atrocities carried out by the west are not part of some conspiracy? How do you KNOW that? You don't mate. SO why leave such a ridiculously hostile post? Why are you even here? Do you go to a gay bar and call everyone fags? Probably not, so why go on a conspiracy site and call everyone loons and tell them they read crap.
How do you know some people on here if not all haven't read all about Marx? Or the Chavez saga? I for one have. I have told you that before.
What astounds me is that the concept of the Illuminati, in modern terms, is a very Western-led thing - yes they are all over the world, apparently, but USA is the supposed 'greatest super-power', and that is where, it is assumed, the Illuminati pull most of their strings. You talk about Western atrocities- yet is doesn't occur to you that you are proving a point, that it actually COULD be something greater than a simple government act that is 'atrocious'. Don't you ever sit there and wonder why the government carries out these atrocities? Have you never heard of a False Flag operation?
A lot of this depends on scale. These theories require the action of an organisation that operates at a scale and depth that is so vast it is very difficult to imagine. But things have been happening on unimaginable scales since the dawn of man, these thigns only seem unimaginable to the modern man who thinks if it can't be done in 2 seconds and with the flick of a switch, it's probably not possible.
What you also fail to consider is exactly how capitalism is the Catalyst, should Illuminati exist. It makes perfect sense. Everything you have told people to consider and go read about actually point towards there being some bigger picture that the common man simply does not feel or notice in their day-today life.
In a nutshell, you strike me as not only hostile in your opinion, but utterly convinced of your own intelligence. If you know so much mate, why are you on here, and why are you not doing something more worthwhile with your life like changing the world?
George Bush was a puppet, and a bad one at that. FACT. Do you never ask - whose puppet? Moon landing stuff was held secret, not released to the public, and deep suspicion still shrouds that hole saga - FACT. I suppose you read all the reason why and thought 'naah, they aren't lying to us'.
I really dislike it when someone who thinks they know everything about everything comes along and runs their mouth, puts people down with stupid gimmick comments like 'buy Bargain books for dummies' etc etc, and then totally contradicts themselves with almost every point they make.
Answer this question, if you will, seeing as you already know the answer it seems:
Why is there poverty and starvation in less-developed, famine-ridden countries?
Answer this too please : why did Neil Armstrong refuse to speak in any depth in public about his trip to the moon?
Also: do you feel that if there was no hint of threat to the US government, it would have an excuse to finance it's military?
Do you not find it a very strange coincidence that Sept 11th keeps cropping up in dates of historical disasters?
Come on mate, if you genuinely believe that there is nothing suspicious going on all across our world then that is worrying. You'll sit here saying capitalism is doing this and that, but you won't question why.
Raz
The flood tunnels could be capped off at the end that the water is if you know where they all are etc.
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The point is people should not be apathetic. The info is there people cant say "i didnt know" the problem is all this rubbish about aliens, illuminati, owls, aztec spaceships is the crap people dont filter.
I just wish that people would really get angry about real things like the Tories and the stupid cuts that mean normal people lose the most important services to maintain banks credit sheets!
" If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine" Ernesto Che Guevara.
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Read discussionI just wish that people would really get angry about real things like the Tories and the stupid cuts that mean normal people lose the most important services to maintain banks credit sheets!
" If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine" Ernesto Che Guevara.
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History just repeats itself, if people knew the full extent of why wars and conficts are set up mostly ,they would be shocked as nearly every power in history is guitly of this, not counting the nutjobs that kill there own people to get power in smaller countries , if only we could just share food as no one should go hungrey and live in peace , sounds simple but power and greed is what world leaders love..........lfc
Read discussionI feel i must stick up for andy carroll , its the bias mu media behind this , people should stop picking on the lad..........lfc
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