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No kim, before I joined this site I was and still am looked at alien conspiracy stuff, roswell/dulce and abductions and for the last few years I have broadened my research threw the edds and people like yourself and learnt new stuff and every conspiracy on different subjects always seems to lead back to the same Kabul.

Is he as nuts as he comes across on the tv edd?

20 Jun 2014 00:34:49
Agreed, if you were to run foreign policy based on knocking over govts ran by nasty people you would be extremely busy.

Regards the figures, Bush killed a lot in a quick time. Hussein ruled Iraq since the 70s so there's internal opposition, kurds, the 8 year Iran - Iraq war, so a lot but more spread out.

Kim Philby

I understand Kim, no worries. My initial post was more in response to 'withasea's' point that his character was used as a justification fir the war. A dangerous call, in the wrong hands of course. Interesting view on the relative death tolls, may be worthy of further investigation on my part.

Harold

19 Jun 2014 23:49:15
I was just pointing out that Hussein was one of the sickest individuals to ever run a country. i'd also wager that his number of victims compared to Bush, well its closer than you think.

Kim Philby

19 Jun 2014 23:43:47
Thought you might have heard those before Franky.

Kim Philby

Is it not a bit dangerous to be making huge decisions based on who is the nicer/ nastier guy?

Who gets to define 'nice guy' anyway? Someone with our interests at heart or someone looking out for TPTB? That is what worries me.

Also, Saddam may be in a different league in many respects but out of the 2 who's actions have led to the most deaths worldwide?

Harold

Good point franky regards good cop bad cop. I remember reading that Clinton was primed for years to be president, to be the 'breath of fresh air' option who people thought was a nice guy. Similar to Blair over here Imo, following many years of Tory rule.

AP Bush got his maximum number of terms did he not?

Harold

Why wouldn't you use the hologram of a comercial jet? it was dark with no logo or windows? that's what i'm having trouble with, but at the same time it does seem to melt into the building

Just googled his drawings enough said.

Quite surprised a mainstream paper acknowledging that people like us believe some of these conspiracy theories, there are two that are new to me.
1 The 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami might have been caused by the USA and Israel

2 harold Wilson could have been a KGB spy.

Yeah think you are right mate the guy he was up against on his second term was john kerry who is even more nuts than bush, I stand by the good cop bad cop theory as the public have not the stomach for war after war, I can't comment on his drawings thou ;)

Bush was a psychotic warmonger, once they found out there was no WMD he had to go, he served his purpose, good cop bad cop routine with obama and bush.

If bush was in the mold of the elite then why get rid of him? Surely it would've made more sense to bring bin laden out if his frozen state and have bush be the president that captured and killed Osama? Win win no?

AP

19 Jun 2014 12:08:06
Hes the weakest president since carter. Even Clinton found a spine in the end. No wonder Putin thinks he can achieve his aims.

Kim Philby

Some people seem to think he's a pansy alright.

Ryan.

There are two types of leaders that are singled to run there countries.
1 who is narcissistic who fits the mold of the elite like bush.

2 who are groomed to do what they are told like Obama.

18 Jun 2014 22:57:53
Nessie!

18 Jun 2014 23:06:30
Yes Bush started wars to prop up the dollar and the oil companies, but i'm not aware of him locking up political rivals or people who crossed him or his family, mutilating their families in from of them and torturing them to death afterwards. Bush's ethics may be unpalatable but Hussein was on a different planet. The postings noone wanted was the middle east ones, and the stories I heard from friends were horrific. Luckily the majority of my career took me around western Europe.

Kim Philby

The Pentagon and Shanksville incidents share common ground. There is no evidence whatsoever of AA77 and UA93 crashing at either location.

For those that haven't looked up the tail numbers of all four aircraft on the FAA register; you should! It'll whet your appetite.
Look up the "N" numbers. note the dates and status of those aircraft.

I have not been able to reconcile these differences within my own mind and I have not seen or heard any compelling explanation via media outlets that could put my thoughts to bed.

Eric