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Hi Ash,

In fairness, as far as the Moon Rising stuff goes, I really enjoyed it but do not necessarily believe it. I think there are some seriously interesting links - e.g. the vector symbol prevalent in every single space organisation's logo... that is odd. I find it interesting that in the foto of the spaceman there is a vector when zoomed in on his face mask - yet there is no reflection of anything taking his picture. Wtf?

I am yet to decide whether I found that film convincing or not, but I DO believe they staged a moon landing, and deliberately mis-represented what the moon looks like, and I believe the is every chance that images have been hidden/altered by the govt. What that in turn means is anyone's guess.

One thing I will say though is I do not believe the image of Aristarchos Crater as found in books and on wiki is a real image.

Other than that, I am still not massively convinced by Moon Rising but I am not writing it off as false yet.

Raz

I haven't tried - yet....

I am yet to do my own reading on all that shiz, there is so much to get through it is nightmare.

Raz

Fair enough i respect your opinion!
The way i see it is the government are hiding this info from us because they don't want us to know that we are not in control of our skies!

Azza

Yeah I have always wondered about this haha.

Iraq war = weapons of mass destruction lie (or the son finishing off the dads bussiness!)
Afgan war = 9/11

Not sure why people associate iraq and 9/11?

Ash

He probably was talking about there being breakthroughs in space (I don't think I said differently) that does NOT mean that aliens on the moon or cover ups by the government were the things preventing those break throughs.

Space exploration costs money, scientific discover costs money, yet there may be no benefit from the expenditure, therefore Money becomes one of truths protective layers. Governments have to fund these things yet religion, ethics, people power can stand in the way of them doing so, so they also can be seen as protective layers for the truth.

As i said earlier it is all about interpretation, you see it one way, I see it another, only Neil Armstrong knows what he meant.

Ash

Without 9/11 they couldn't have a war in Iraq! New world order was born on september 11th.

Azza

Don't buy the sun - 1) Bush said in a interview how he was watching the news and saw a plane fly into the first building......their was no LIVE couverage of this.
Did you know that everysingle Shop camera around the area was taken away?

Azza

Just like to clear one thing up, I am in no way saying thet tha starchild skull is or is not fake, I was purely using it as an example of where the owner/proprietor is likely to make money so would do his/her best to make their case point the direction of most gain. if that appeared otherwise in my original post sorry.

I do have to disagree with you though Raz I've watched the moon rising film and thought it was hogwash, as someone with a good knowledge of photography half of the alterations he makes are pure fantasy and could be used to show anything, other points are also rubbish (like tha saucer standing on end, or the missing crosses from the hassleblad cameras) and have been debunked by multiple people (a quick google search will show you that). If there truely were a space station or some such on the surface of the moon, someone would have seen it from earth!

There are many unexplained things in this world, and I enjoy hearing reading about them, and governments do cover stuff up to hide the truth from people, however how much they do these things only time will tell.

Just as a guide, a few of the bigger conspiracy theories and my opinion:

911 - Not sure, too much brushed over for them all to be wrong, but then again, what happened in some aspects is clear, 2 planes hit 2 towers!

Moon rising - bunkem (see above)

Starchild - not sure, seems odd, but time will tell

NWO/Illuminate - I honestly don't think these guys are real or as powerful as made to believe. People like to have an evil guy/group to blame for things.

Hitler not dead (or died much later) - people want to believe this but face it the guy killed himself rather than face the consiquences (likewise, elvis - dead, MJ - dead, Tupac - dead)

aliens built pyramids - utter rubbish, it has been shown over and over how these were built, and why, no cover up there or in any other ancient structure (in my opinion, and I include nascar lines).

Lizard people (aka david Ike) - crap keeper, equally crap at making stuff up :)

Ash

Ash - ''breakthrough available to those who can remove one of truths protective layers'' Hes saying theirs breakthroughs available in space. its got nothing to do with religion and money fella. In those times landing on the moon was the biggest thing in america! Why would you come back and not talk about your experience? Its because he wasn't allowed to tell the truth.

Azza

Cheers Raz!

And maybe I should be a bit less hostile with my posts but its all in good fun! You ll never convert me to Illuminati or Aztec Aliens though!

Dont Buy the Sun

Cheers Mikey I will have a look - like I say, I am not writing it off as being human, provided someone can prove it, that's all. So far I have seen evidence it is half n half. I'll check out that syndrome now.
Cheers
Raz

I am now watching it upon your recommendation - it is interesting to say the least, and it it pretty clear that the reference ot the all-seeing eye, and subliminal messaging, has been going on for a long time. I do not for one second believe the Antichrist is coming though , that is just ridiculous. I an ALIEN coming? Who knows. But the Antichrist? Pffffffffff.

If he was backed into a corner and committed suicide then those who backed him into it should be tried for murder.

Heard he is writing music with tu pac

Oh yeah your right! It couldnt have been a group of fanatics it has to be a massive conspiracy were if you believe the crap theories the evil government makes loads of small mistakes that really clever loaners work out! Cant you understand that loads of people hate AMERICA want to destroy AMERICA,some because they are fanatic nut jobs others because of the massive suffering the US inflicts on many people throughout the world. Americans often love the conspiracy because they cant accept the truth that these foreigners often from poor countries that they have never heard of hate them despise them and are ready to die for that belief. You think it was the US government an inside job?
Do you not think that there are people willing to wage war on the US,you think it was about oil or economics do you deny the motives of the many movements that hate America do these movements not exist?

Dont Buy the Sun

Firstly not everyone who does great things is in it for the fame, there is much more to being the first man on the moon than to go around bragging about it.

Secondly there may be a clue there may not if you are looking for it you will find it, because you want to, what that speach says to me is that they started the work, others will have to continue but to do so needs co-operation and not obstacles.

When he speaks of Truths protective layers he could be talking religion, money, ethics, government, it does not have to mean a lie.

This is the inherant issue I have with conspicacy, people claim if you look at facts you will see, but generally what they mean is if you put the facts to use in this way you will see this, however if you choose to read them a different way you will find a different truth.

Just to make it clear I am not an "unbeliever" in aliens, far from it, I just like people to actually look at both sides :) I'm a pragmatist.

Ash

I have to say, and I genuinely mean no offence, but I couldn't agree LESS with this post. I honestly feel you need to go back to school, or study the origins of the earth, the evolution and extinction of all species on earth, go and look at the similarities in DNA coding between things like a bird and a fish, and mammalian DNA, and fossil records, and discover for yourself that there are millions of years of evolution that have got where we are today.

DNA does not prove WE are designed any more than it suggests someone made the air, trees, and magma from the earth's core. It is a FACT that we are comprised of atoms. Everything is. There is a clear process that formed our planet, that forms other planets too. Study the life cycle of a star.

As for your whale comment- you have seriously seriously undermined a proven concept, and also reversed it. At one stage the entire planet was covered in water. Over millions and millions of years some of those reptilian creatures evolved to live on land. Note- not mammalian. Seriously at least do some homework before coming out with a post like that which suggests that anyone with a basic education is a moron.

Raz

P.s. DBTS I agree with you on that one.

Raz

I completely see where you're coming from/the point you're making.

One thing I would like to say is that I think it is closed-minded to have evidence of something put in front of you, and to say it is wrong/ impossible. I feel that is closed-minded. I think when there is what I would describe as a wilful refusal to consider or accept the possibility and then the possible evidence of alien/new species existence, that is closed-minded. For we are biological, and we would not exist if not for the sun. That is fact. There are millions of suns out there, so how can someone say it is impossible for life to exist that is ET? That is absurd. There is no explanation, no justification, just a clear desire to refuse to consider the option. And THAT is so closed-minded.

Some people make the link that if you are religious, then you don't believe in this kind of thing. Why not? Why can't you be both? Because religion teaches you that a God or Creator created all life. Hindu religion teaches that all life was created by the Sun (who also shines on EVERYONE). Again, unless religions cause you to deny that space exists, that other planets exists, and that other stars/suns exist, even those who are majorly religious are still simply in denial. For me, that is closed-minded.

As far as the star child goes - yes, there could be an element of paying people to say the right thing and produce the right results... but that would run far deeper, take far longer, and cost far more than to simply do the research to reveal the truth. All the scientists who have worked on the Star Child have put their careers on the line. They also have no reason to lie. If they really had a reason to lie, it would be for credibility, and they would deny the results. ALSO, they govt, according to conspiracy theories, have done their utmost to deny the existence of alien life. Why? Watch Moon Rising and tell me we haven't all been done over. The Star Child stuff hasn't been covered up because 1) so far, apart from finding that it is half inhuman, they have not found anything specific to cover up. 2) The skull is privately owned. They have no right to confiscate it.

That really is an extraordinary skull. To write it off, after reading what there is to read about it, is, IMO, closed-minded. When there is clear-cut proof, and you cannot fake DNA results. AT any rate, there are enough privately-owned Genetics companies who have access to all that evidence in the same way I have who could easily do their own research and go public with the results saying they're fake if they were, yet nobody has. Why not? Because they have no reason to, that's why. The evidence is there for all to see - half human, half something else. Whatever it is, the DNA for that thing has never before been found on this planet. Is it alien? Who knows? Is it a product of alien genetic engineering? Who knows. Is it a humanoid thing born of a human plus a species now extinct, but one that isn't 'alien' at all? Who knows. Is it half plastic?? But nobody can look at all that stuff and say, when the evidence is right there for the world to see, and say 'that is 100% human'.

To do so would again be so unbelievably closed-minded. If someone comes out and eventually DOES prove it to be human, I would then be closed-minded to say 'no it isn't, it can't be'.

In other news, I really do not believe all this crap about the Antichrist coming. While I am all for having a faith, I do not believe in God or a Creator. I believe we are on this planet through entirely biological processes. 100%. Nobody will ever sway me on that. I believe the Bible was written as a reference to thousands of events from this planets history that has been documented over thousands of years by all races, and they have been dressed up as acts of God. In example, I am more likely to believe that Sodom and Gomorrah were bombed or a meteorite hit them both than to believe God ordered a fiery hell to rain down on the cities. Nothing in religion has any proof for me, only what has been past through our histories, and, well, if you watch The Arrivals and believe any of the subliminal messaging etc, you'll know that all religions and histories have a chance of existing within the parameters of hidden (or not) agendas.

I do not believe in 2012 some massive bloody antichrist is going to rise up from the sea with seven heads, the body of a tiger, and enslave us all in a New World Order. That is effing stupid. Does that make me closed-minded or realistic? If there is no evidence of God, only evidence of his worship, and the same with Christ, and even less about the Antichrist,why would I believe this mythical creature is on it's way?

I think there is an ability to go backwards and forwards over this 'what is closed-minded', but I think the main thing is to do research and draw your own conclusions, rather than to refuse to consider possibilities in the first place.

Raz