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All you have to do is think of what has happened to the US economy since then. Just prior to 911 Donald Rumsfeld came out and said that the pentagon had 2.3 trillion dollars that they couldnt account for. Dont go calling people retards for having an open mind and looking at the facts especially when you clearly have not

The reason there has been no disclosure up to now boils down to one word.....OIL! if we make contact with an advanced alien race with advanced form of propulsion the oil would become worthless overnight, and without oil countries have no power.

Sooty

P.S.S. Sorry Don't Buy The Sun (please change your sign off, you wont actually stop anyone buying that rag anyway. In other news- Hillsborough debate is going to court on October 17th if you didn't already know mate), on another tangent, apart from being able to get my head around the DNA chat, I also studied Marxism. The over-riding fact is he was an idealist and not a realist and that sort of Utopia really is the hollywood ending you accuse us of wanting. What you are saying is that we effectively cease to have a world economy and that everyone simply share everything. This is where a knowledge of human genetics would do you and and would have done Marx some good, because it is against human nature NOT to be territorial, hungry for things the human brain associates with wealth, status and power. Freud would quite happily back me up. And although sometimes radical, he was no joker. What Marx wanted was understood by all, and some thought it was great. But those with his nature think that those without his nature are 'wrong' - when it is biologically and psychologically proven that humans are predisposed to character traits as primitive as wolves are. So what Marxism suggested was in actual fact a complete revision of what it means to be human, in a weird sense, and that in itself means that we will never see the world willingly collapse it's economy in favour of sharing and joint ownership.

Raz

Thank God! Not that I believe in that. Mikey you are speaking total sense. It was a kid with an illness. All the stuff about DNA tests is from the owner of the skulls website and author of all the alien crap. Funny how gulable people will believe anything he claims.

Well done Mikey!

Dont Buy the Sun

Mikey plz will you provide a link for us to read what you read or something similar,or about the disease? Would be wicked to see it. I am as open to being told it is not human as I am that it is only half.
DBTS : What books? I never read books on this shiz, or 'pulp' as you call it, but again examples so I can steer clear would be good. I have google for reading up on this shiz.

Mikey: why do you say DNA results were wrong?
Cheers
Raz

They dont stand that high. on the ground they are tall however the landing gear would of been up when crashed so knock a few feet off that as much as almost half.
i work as a flight attendant so know a lot about planes. and all the pilots i know say the same thing, it was a plane.
a plane full of people and crew were murdered on that plane its a bit insensitive to say its a missile after its quite obvious a plane.
the conspiracy makes no sense anyway. why lie and say its a plane?

MIKEY

Rudi that depends on what 'our current beliefs' are? I believe in extra terrestrial stuff. I am not religious, but respect those that are, and I believe in extents of spirituality.

But I am also not so close-minded that I feel there is no life anywhere else, that is such a ridiculous proposition I don't know how, in this day and age, anyone can honestly just disregard the concept of their being life elsewhere.

Unless you let your religion dictate your beliefs, which some do. But religion does not make science wrong. As Jay said befre, imagine where we would be now if science had been allowed to progress hundreds of years ago, if not for religion (which dictated acceptability in society) blocking it's progression. We would have had electricity over a thousand years ago probably. Imagine where we'd be now.

Err... sorry, I was rambling. My point is would it really destroy our present understandings of anything? I don't think so. You ask a kid of every religion/race if they understand the concept of ET stuff or aliens or whatever, they'd probably say yes.

If you proved that they existed, I doubt they'd change their beliefs - I don't know any beliefs that preach that we are the only planet with life in the entire universe.

I really hope it turns out the Star Child skull is genuinely alien, and if they find evidence of technologies from previous eras of man that far outweigh what we call technology, well I'd die a very happy bunny.

Raz

Www.stopcp.com - that site tells you what you NEED to know. It's basically a grad school for lefty-liberal marxist thinkers who push agenda 21/NWO. Even Cameron has used the phrase (makes you wonder if there's NO difference between Tories and Labour...)

Couldn't have put it better myself. The majority of astronauts that have visited the moon have seen landed ufos. Their are also pictures of the moon with buildings being smudged out etc. If you look to the sky at night you bound to see a UFO.....I have!

Azza

I do agree with you Azza,but on top of that i believe that the powers that be are worried that the open existness of et's would undermine their power over people...it would almost undoubtly result in technological advancements in power,communication,travel,health,etc, over which they would have no control...basically they have nobody to answer to but if there was an acceptance of humans to a kind of galactic family then they would lose their privelege of doing what they like...its all an agenda with them...that agenda being their own personal hold over people!!

PmacC

I know serial killers exist! My point was the vast volumes of lurid literature published about them appeals to the same lowest common donominator audience that read crap about aliens etc from pulp books written by idiots containing so called FACTS.

Dont Buy the Sun

The DNA testing used on the skull was flawed.
real DNA tests show its 100% human with a genetic deformity. cant remember the exact deformitys name but i googled it and the pictures of kids with this condition looked exactly like the skull.
the owner of the skull will continue to say its an alien and the testing proves it as long as people listen.

MIKEY

It is absolutely impossible that the moon landings were faked.

The simple reason is that there is a mirror on the surface which anyone can bounce a laser off & read it when it comes back again. As mirrors are man made then that end any argument.

You people will believe anything!

Millionth PS. You don't believe in serial killers? Where do you come from? Are you in fact stig of the dump with no concept of anything other than your cave and book of marxism someone dropped? Come on mate everyone knows serial killers are well documented and don't leave any room for debate or conspiracy theorising. On a level, that was an odd admission.

P.s. I do agree with you Don't Buy The Sun guy on the idea of people being able to build massive structures etc. I think Apocalypto, as daft as some people called it (I fecking loved it) depicted pretty clearly how previous societies used to worship a man as a god, this is nothing new, and how that man's people were all slaves, and their whole lives, rather like miners, were put towards building these larger than life structures. I wholeheartedly believe that. I haven't read about what the Mayan thought yet, and there's this stuff about ancient technologies and then a flood etc. My question would why haven't we found any of it?

Off to do some reading.

Raz

Sorry all, I meant to write not 100% human....

"If they just wanted a grab for Middle Eastern oil why not just go straight out for Iraq in 2001, why wait 2 years? If as you say they rigged it to put the blame on others why not rig it to look like Iraq and dive straight in there in 2001? Plenty of oil, friendly countries on the borders to provide bases, shorter strategic supply lines. From a viewpoint Iraq made a lot of sense."

To me this would be a reason NOT to do what you suggest - too obvious. They had to make things harder for themselves in a way, and others, to blur the links of association between going to war and wanting the oil. Go to Afghan, reduce the motive and suspicion, but ultimately get the same result, or go Iraq, and immediately have the whole world pointing a finger saying 'this isn't about war or terrorism, this is about oil'.

Dear Mr Don't Buy The Sun.

You can speak your mind without being a *****. You should learn to do it. You don't believe the Star Child stuff, that is fine. Your hostility isn't.

I want to say a couple of things though :

ANyone who was not a biology geek and did id-depth learning about DNA and nucleoides, how they link etc etc, will find that research results, even their 'dumbed-down' form, very hard to understand. That's natural. I did Biology A- Level and Sports Science A- Level amongst others, and I fully understood all the DNA testing, the potential flaws, and the reasons for having to test again. I have read the articles from top to bottom and one thing that is 100% FACT is that the mother of the star child was 100% human and from a gene pool native to the area in which it was discovered.

Another FACT is that the woman whose skull was found with the Star Child was NOT it's mother.

Another FACT is that the Paternal DNA of the Star Child does not match a SINGLE organism, or any part of one so far, that has ever lived and been documented on this earth, be it bacteria, dinosaur, or human. FACT.

You strike me as being someone who refutes what he doesn't understand, which is a great shame.

I have no problem with anyone disbelieving something because they don't understand and there is no evidence, but I dislike people who sate others for their beliefs in something that can be proven, that is just insane.

I really would recommend you read as much as you can about the DNA testing of the Star Child, you have either misred or chosen to ignore some key facts from the research and you have misrepresented facts on here. That thing, whatever it is, is not 100%. It's MOTHER was. Fact. Honestly go read it and then come back but please don't just poo-poo the whole idea because it doesn't sit well with you.

Peace

Raz {Ed003's Note -

Yes Ed and the fact that British soldiers haven't accomplished it in 200 years says a lot about the operational problems in the place.

Besides reagrds Caspian sea oil, wouldn't the majority belong to Russia? Also looking at the geography and topography wouldn't it be easier, cheaper and make more sense to take a pipeline from the Caspian west rather than east? {Ed033's Note - It appears that they have disbanded the pipeline idea now anyway and decided to place a big military base in Afghanistan which will be expanded under the surface of Afghanistan. }

Or the arc of the covenent........??

Matty b