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07 Oct 2015 21:45:56
I will defo check that out ed.

Yeh its always one of those things that has puzzled me. At the time I can remember feeling a freaked out. Nothing happened it was just a uneasy feeling as it didn't make sense

07 Oct 2015 21:48:30
Thanks Kim :)

That makes a lot of sense :) too much James bond maybe.

07 Oct 2015 21:40:27
CTR, it could have been advanced and undisclosed military aircraft on a test flight. We know that various countries were experimenting with anti-gravity effects as early as the 1950s. I would imagine they would have fleets of craft operating with such technologies by now.
One negative effect of such technologies is that the high voltages (difference of potential) and frequencies used in their operation ionize the air that surrounds them which in turn emits photons during its discharge, thereby rendering them visible. There are ways to circumvent that effect but they wouldn't be flying if they were employed in their design.

What Ed033 is referring to is both possible and probable. Our senses are limited in that they enable us to perceive a fraction of the electromagnetic spectrum. Thus anything that vibrates at a frequency outside the part of the spectrum that we are equipped to perceive would be undetectable to us. "Rods" and "sky whales" are such beings that we've only become aware of through the use of instruments.

07 Oct 2015 21:03:35
CTR it does happen but there are easier ways. Especially in a high tech age. You can manufacture leaks of an electronic nature. Hacking. All easier and more believable than having a guy walk in and go hey look what I've got. The guy would have to be the greatest actor ever or truly believe what he's doing. And that level of conditioning does leave signs. Basically if its not convincing enough its a suicide mission.

Again walk in defectors are rarely trusted. Penkovsky was rejected by the Americans and the British only took him on as they were desperate after the events of the late 50s.

Also pure black Intel ops are becoming rarer. This is a digital age. Everything is available if you have skilled people.

The old ways aren't used so much now. Tradecraft is a skill sought after. Smiley has been well and truly put out to pasture.

07 Oct 2015 20:46:42
who knows m8 just a gut feeling.

07 Oct 2015 19:20:22
Of course I forgot north Korea lol.

07 Oct 2015 19:03:55
I know ed! Somehow we lost 2 chromosomes yet became smarter, go figure lol.

07 Oct 2015 19:02:46
I rememeber hearing somewhere the only countries Rothschild didn't control bank was was Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran.

Is that right?

07 Oct 2015 18:10:27
I think we will soon find out we are not alone, it's just a case of the relevant organizations getting the stuff they need to know first.

There are two possible outcomes

1/ we are not alone
Or
2/ we are alone.

Both are as scary as each other.

07 Oct 2015 17:54:20
9/11 was a fake terror attack used to justify military action in the middle east. Western governments are controlled by powerful international interests who stand to benefit from this military action (through oil, other resources, strategic geographic positioning causing never-ending wars etc). So it may be a bit simplistic to label the event as an 'inside job' however there would certainly have been groups or individuals within the US establishment who were involved or compliant, under the orders of their internationalist superiors.

Theres loads of smoking gun evidence which disproves the official narrative, too much to mention all in one place, but for instance:
1. Plane wings don't slice through structural steel
2. Jet fuel does not burn at a high enough heat to manipulate the structural steel to cause a collapse, let alone within the witnessed time frame
3. The collapse of the towers at free fall speed defies basic physics and can only be explained logically by some form of controlled demolition. And the collapse of tower 7 which wasn't even hit defies any practical logic
4. The fact that the supposed pilots were amateurs, had never been inside a cockpit of the model of jet used and could certainly not have pulled off the tricky manoeuvres (especially at the pentagon) at the stated speeds
5. The speeds given that the jets were travelling at in any case were beyond that which those models are designed to travel at near ground level, which would have meant danger of the planes being damaged well before impact let alone making it nigh on impossible for them to be flown accurately
6. The lack of debris first witnessed at the pentagon and total lack of any signs of a plane at the supposed crash site of flight 93
7. The witness accounts that what flew into the pentagon resembled a 'missile' or 'missile with no wings'
8. The fact that cctv footage from local businesses (which would surely give a clear view of a huge jet flying low then into the pentagon) was confiscated and has never been made public

I could go on all day, in fact I'm shocked at how many holes there are in the official version. Were they testing how easy it is to fool us?

The best documentary I have seen on the subject is called 'september 11 the new pearl harbour' and is available on youtube. I always recommend it to people who want to learn more about 9/11.

september 11 the new pearl harbour
youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M

07 Oct 2015 18:15:01
Also,

The real question for me is are the 'aliens' actually aliens at all?

Could it be they are just us from millions of years ago that knew a catastrophe was imminent and we jumped planet to another to ride it out until the earth became habitable again?

Many people who claim to have encountered aliens say they looked just like us.

Just a thought.

07 Oct 2015 18:19:34
Maybe we are created as slaves to get what the creator's want from a planet and then we are left to our own devices?

07 Oct 2015 18:08:34
Double agents are rare outside of fiction.

Bare in mind went he first went to Russia he disappeared for several weeks.

During this time the counter espionage people would have had him and pulled him apart. Several times. No one trusts walk in defectors and no one is as paranoid as my countrymen.

They would have found out his motivations and if he was a double or not.

He's rare in that he seems motivated by ethics, morals or ideology.

Usually you turn people by the 3 Bs: Blackmail, bribery and bullshit. Any or all of them. Snowden doesn't fit any of them.

07 Oct 2015 18:17:18
Frankie,

I also had the thought that he could be a very well placed spy put in place by the USA to monitor Russia and give disinformation to the people there.

Is that a crazy thought, am I well off the mark?

07 Oct 2015 18:23:29
It has to be a inside job AL, it's laughable when the story we were told becomes the hardest to believe now.

07 Oct 2015 13:17:44
if its on earth in a D U M B or on mars the question has to be asked why has since recorded history or even before, that there has always been a intelligent hidden force guiding the human race into slaves?

its more unbelievable to think that every catastrophe that has decimated mankind have by chance found these hidden groups who have got together and created a secret society.

07 Oct 2015 12:45:57
kim, I think he is a double agent if I am honest. another thing that got the alarm bells ringing is he done a. interview with the bbc panorama and I have wrote on another post further down what I think what the bbc motives are.

this guy is getting mainstream media promotions and the other two people I have mentioned get snippets unless it's related to Assange sex charge.

just my gut feeling.

07 Oct 2015 09:01:22
Its a stretch mate. I believe Randall said the force that these impacts have had on the earth are the same as the entire worlds nuclear arms 8,000 times over. We don't know of anything that is capable of withstanding that, underground or not. So while its a slim possibility, you'd have to say evidence suggests that these impacts wipe out everything near them.

It would be pretty hard to judge the exact region they will hit and when also, so I would lean towards that theory having a few holes.

07 Oct 2015 08:06:19
Franky I think the new laws was more of an over reaction to Snowdon than part of the plan. Shutting the door after the horse?

If Snowden is a plant he'll return home in the next couple of years.

07 Oct 2015 01:30:06
looks like a baby buffalo with some sort of skin disease.