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Discussion #12077Talk Sense

21 Jun 2016 13:13:52
I really do believe that the yes and no on EU are on the 1 side. I think if the leave fraction got away from the immigration argument and highlighted the whole cooperate lobbying thing and how it advances the wealth of the chosen and shackles the working man leaving the EU would be a shoo in.

 

MrJonesy
21 Jun 2016 14:49:48
I find it funny how its the governments decision to be in or out, or there has to be a majority vote amongst the populace, and then everyone has to follow that consensus. Surely each one of us as individual beings has a right to be part of something or choose to not be apart of it, and not forced to do what everyone else thinks is a good idea. What would happen if the leave campaigners even after an overwhelming in vote (hypothetical) decided to not follow EU guide lines and rejected the immigration, the TTP laws, they would be persecuted. Have we lost all our individuality?
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southampton87
21 Jun 2016 23:01:48
Mate watch,
Urgent message to British people on youtube:
Lexit the movie,
Brexit the movie.
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Discussion #11519Talk Sense

20 Jun 2016 23:13:55
From a report on BBC
A man tried to grab a gun from a police man and shoot trump
Apparently.

goo.gl/ttsKTM

 

{Ed033's Note - A 19 year old who is British has been wanting to shoot Donald Trump for a year and apparently according to him, he's just got the confidence to attempt it. Be interesting to know why he dislikes Trump to the point of wanting to shoot him.
southampton87
21 Jun 2016 00:31:49
That's a bit wierd a ed and yes, would be good to know why!
Far as I know he ain't said nothing too bad about uk.
{Ed033's Note - Pure speculation i know, but assuming this 19 year old is sane and not under mind control or mind altering drugs, could it be all the continual negativity from main stream media about Trump caused him to hate Trump to the point of wanting to shoot him?

And would that show just how powerful main stream media is at affecting people's minds in general?

I'm pretty sure there are loads of people who hate Trump, purely based on what the main stream media have said about him, which seems to be that Trump is not politically correct.
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southampton87
21 Jun 2016 01:39:08
lol I think it's quiet safe to say he is not PC
But you do have a point
The thing is it can have this effect

most believe every word on the BBC or the like and if you where to really believe in the end you will be a type of victim by a person
I think there are plenty that would lash out for more of a (before it happens to me reaction )
And if the person was mentally I'll this could deffently end up reality.
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KimPhilby
21 Jun 2016 12:31:08
It's interesting how the man who killed Jo Cox was influenced by all the nasty and negative leave campaign media. But the boy on the attempted Trump killing was influenced by Trumps negative an nasty policies and not by the media which has been just as nasty and negative in response. So does the media play a role or are some people mentally disturbed enough that they just need a small nudge.
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southampton87
21 Jun 2016 13:14:04
I hear exactly what you say kim
Even though there are people in the realms
That would do something unhinged
With just a push needed
From what I could see both leave and trump seem to be going down the line of Putin ie look after ourselfs and try prosper
And the other agenda seems aparent ie world domination

Also find it quite strange muir got his weapon building books and neo nazi stuff from America
And the one that apparently tried trump was an English nipper
But having said that kim
If you were to believe every thing media says and you where a bit unstable or on drugs then this is not unlikely

But for me personally none of this seems to come from the real world
Seems very eastenderish.
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southampton87
21 Jun 2016 13:22:34
Just the fact he has a half brother that is mixed raced
Next door and people who knew him said he would be the last person you would think of doing this
They also said never once did he meantion politics
The person who apparently tackled him shop keeper
Denies this
He also denies hearing britian first
I watched BBC news as it broke about 1.25
And the said man on white cap man in black cap
They released so much info it was like it was in a file waiting
He is meant to be meantaly sick but got interviewed and charged within 24 hours
Key witness apparently got stab in the stomach clearly if he is in hospital get operation unlikely in that 24 hours they got a good or reliable statement (not impossible)
And a couple of days after Orlando shooting
All circumstantial at best
But the other option is this is just how it happened and got reported.
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Discussion #9519Talk Sense

20 Jun 2016 19:39:41
This is getting ridiculous, front page of the Evening Standard (UK), 'Premier League clubs put boot into Brexit' So, the people running the country are getting football clubs involved! People must take a step back, and see for themselves, what is really going on. The world needs shaking to its core to weed out those in powerful positons, dishonesty, corruptness (is that a word, anyway), is not the way for the world, Love and understanding is the way, the EU falls into the first.

southampton87
20 Jun 2016 22:14:02
Swedish mep has said he would like to set up a Nordic trading block with britian
That is what we need but as usual not BBC or media is covering that.
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southampton87
20 Jun 2016 23:14:37
Good post hp.
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TTTS
21 Jun 2016 13:06:26
The full extent of the power of MSM have been in evidence in UK this last while with the real issues for leaving the EU being sidelined in favour of that old chestnut immigration.
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HP
21 Jun 2016 16:10:33
Your right TTTS, and even D. Beckham an G. Soros are getting involved now lol. MSM are one sided leaning towards you know what.
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southampton87
21 Jun 2016 19:25:10
HP and ttts your right
This just shows how well the media work
Since if be doing agencie work my hours been all over the show
But you 100 percent can tell when the programming kicks in at around 5 o'clock when the main population come home from work to sit with dinner and watch the box
And to normal people the fact soros and Beckham back remain should prove Europe only benifits the mega rich
Even then so of them still want out micheal Kane ect
But even still there are some that believe this is more benificial.
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Discussion #12076Talk Sense

20 Jun 2016 13:39:31
Within Ten Years 50% of Americans Will Be Chipped


goo.gl/XCB4kF

 

Sanogolovesbentner
20 Jun 2016 17:50:26
They do there best to do it here. Every time someone is arrested in this country they do fingerprints and Dna swabs before your have been found guilty of anything. Not quite chipping but extremely wrong.
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southampton87
20 Jun 2016 22:16:25
Flys in the face of innocent till proven guilty
But we have seen plenty of that the last few days
I think the turning point is/ will be bit coin
Everyone avoid it like the plague no matter what perks they give.
{Ed033's Note - yes, but they will sell the chip to us as something amazing that will enhance our lives. After that they will make it more beneficial in society to be chipped than not. Later on, they will make it extremely difficult to live in society without being chipped. Further on still, you will need special permission not be chipped at birth.

The end result (using the above 'totalitarian tiptoe' method) being that they can control you via the chip as the perfect slave unit.
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southampton87
20 Jun 2016 23:17:38
Agree you could see them trying maybe a fitness type spin
Like test your blood suger levels for you and makes a noise or monitors heart rate and temp. Or mobile phone similar to total recall (Newer one).
Any thing seeming good is always worth avoiding in some cases.
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Discussion #2070Talk Sense

20 Jun 2016 00:26:14
Hello all - this is my first post though I have been following the site for a while.

One aspect of the Jo Cox murder that I haven't seen discussed is the timing in relation to the financial markets.

Options contracts expire and are settled on the third Friday of every month.

The quarterly expirations (March, June, September and December) are generally more significant.

The June 2016 contracts were due for settlement on Friday 17th June. The last day's trading before the expiration was Thursday 16th.

On Thursday, markets in Europe had been down all day. They also opened sharply down in America.
However, when the news of the murder (and the "Britain First" alleged shouts) came out markets across Europe and America rose sharply (as the prospect of Brexit reduced in probability) .

The Dow Jones was up from the pre news lows as much as 300 points during the session and closed up 250 points from the day's low.
Options settlement was at a much higher level than it would have been had it not been for the news of the murder.

Institutions either selling puts or buying calls could have seen profits increasing exponentially from what would have otherwise been the case.

In other words, some people / institutions will have made millions as a result of the murder.

It is often said that to get to the truth of a matter you need to "follow the money".

Does anybody think that there could have been some large / irregular trades made in the last few days, and if so would that just have been a coincidence?

 

frankyscouser
20 Jun 2016 10:05:01
the markets are like a betting site mate, I have the odd bet and they are just reacting, make no mistake the rich will still make money in or out, it just depends how much more they make if we remain .
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jimmyjones
20 Jun 2016 13:22:39
frankie, judging by the amount of wealthy people crawling all over msm banging the drum for europe I would hazard a guess that it's in their best interest, and not the working mans to remain in the eu.
What happened to the mp is tragic, but something about it doesn't ring true to me. it just seems all too convenient, remain trailing in the majority of polls, markets world wide jittery, and brussels staring the fall apart of the union in the face.
am I being cynical?
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frankyscouser
20 Jun 2016 17:47:32
nope jimmy you have woke up.
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KimPhilby
20 Jun 2016 18:03:40
And of course the sacrificial lamb happened to be photogenic.
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hsf
20 Jun 2016 17:09:28
11 seconds of Lester Freamon: "when you start following the money..." (The Wire)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z7M71wmwWRo
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Discussion #11164Talk Sense

19 Jun 2016 17:35:49
False flags are nothing new. They've been going on for centuries and their aim is to propagate an agenda via a carefully planned event, whilst making it seem as though others are responsible.

Very short clip of CIA agent David Steele giving his opinion on most terrorism is created by government agencies.

 

KimPhilby
21 Jun 2016 12:34:11
Correct. And he worked for one of the biggest.
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Discussion #9358Talk Sense

19 Jun 2016 15:36:59
right this is something that has been passed onto me which I thought was a spoof. after a few checks online it seems this website is legit. there is a website called crisis cast. here is what it says on the homepage

Crisis Cast

Award winning role play actors and film makers specially trained in disaster and crisis management.

We dramatise events for emerging security needs in the UK, Middle East and worldwide. Our specialist role play actors many with security clearance are trained by behavioural psychologists and rigorously rehearsed in criminal and victim behaviour to help police, the army and the emergency services, hospitals, schools, local authorities, government, private security firms, shopping centres, airports, big business, criminal justice departments, media and the military to simulate incident environments for life saving procedures.

We use state of the art British film industry techniques, props and special effects to help trainers deliver essential, hands-on, high octane crisis response and disaster management training. We also work with trainee doctors, psychologists and care professionals.

this firm acknowledge they work with the:
home office
London airport
kent police
g4s (Orlando shooter worker)
and many more agencies.

look at the site look who runs the site, they are real people, I have checked.
you have military
Psychology
Film & Event Management
Battlefield Training Operations
Security Advisor

I did ask the guy why would the advertise for normal people, he just said probably easier to keep them quiet for future work / agreements. btw the guy who sent me this also suggested the logo as well. The cc is for 33.

here is a short youtube clip about the site at crisis cast

 

southampton87
19 Jun 2016 16:20:43
Lol
I'm not the only one to have seen this and thought is this
For real
You can buy kits fake blood and such lol.
{Ed001's Note - I don't get the point of this, how do you think they train the emergency services to control disaster situations? They were using actors in my grandad's time in the ambulance services, to train with. Of course someone will have taken it on a step and created a business from it. This does not prove the existence of any kind of false flags or faked scenarios in the public eye.}
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southampton87
19 Jun 2016 17:03:07
I do agree with what you say
As this does not prove anything
They do the same in marines and mod to get people used to this
But it also makes it available and possible to use as a false flag or similar use
But as always good to point out ed.
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frankyscouser
19 Jun 2016 18:14:54
no one is disputing they have to train for all type of events, why a obscure site? why not advertise on mainstream tv? , plenty of people would like to earn a few bob or be part of something like this .
{Ed001's Note - same reason you don't see adverts for actors on normal TV. You are being silly franky, there is nothing obscure about it. You are not the target market, so why the hell would they advertise to you? You are not trained to work in this field, so why would they want to employ you?}
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frankyscouser
19 Jun 2016 19:04:41
you know what is real silly?
when you have a firm that has links to the home office and g4s and co and think that everyone of their drills is above board .
{Ed001's Note - nobody is saying that. What I am saying is that you are reading too much into it. This is not even circumstantial evidence.}
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frankyscouser
19 Jun 2016 19:40:27
sorry edd but is this the whole point of the conspiracy site?
circumstantial evidence or not its a theory,
i understand your rational point I really do but I choose to see the possible darker side to these type of firms.
{Ed001's Note - what is your theory? That the open existence of a website for actors to fake disasters is proof that there are false flag attacks ongoing? If so you need help. There is a difference between a working theory and nonsense. As I pointed out, this is not even circumstantial evidence of anything. I could have told you this existed a long time ago, but it is only your own mind twisting it into any kind of meaning. May as well claim the existence of ambulances is proof too. This is the kind of thinking that makes conspiracy theories look stupid.}
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Discussion #9357Talk Sense

19 Jun 2016 14:06:21
david icke talks a lot about joining the dots that leads you to an event or agenda.

the EU is a CIA creation in the 50s, it's documented, a united states of europe.
obama gave his strongest ever speech about warning us leaving europe. they have rolled out every big gun out from the bank of england to the imf.

non of it worked and momentum was firmly on the leave campaign, nearly every poll showed leave lead or at worse 50/50.

then in the same week where leave were on a roll, we get a guy who suddenly takes it upon himself to kill a political figure?

sorry I am not buying this at all.
do I think he was mentally ill? yes
do I think he acted alone? not a chance in hell.

also his gun had links to the states. my gut feeling, this assassination has links to a CIA Manchurian candidate hit.

i got sent this video and it adds to a interesting theory i have. Dr Paul Craig claims the EU is a CIA operation which does make sense with TTIP. ask yourself who really loses out if we break away from the EU?

southampton87
19 Jun 2016 14:50:07
Good point franky, i thought similar. If his gun and documents where from a neo nazi group, Not sayin it wasn't. Wouldn't it be more likely it would have came from Europe / or more eastern.

And the fact they said it came from America with the fact they released evidence and spoke different stories says this is not normal, Stinks from the 1st second. Also a real good person for the establishment to hit the momentum of leave. I also have now seen a few bits where people were certain it started between two blokes and jo cox got in between.

Then there is the fact people in the area are certain no one said, "britian first" or "put britian first". Now I'm not saying this bloke is mentally sound nor am I condoning what he did in anyway, But most extreme mental illness come in episodes.

So how did a doctor say he was of sound of mind to be interviewed and questioned
When you are drunk you cannot be interviewed till you are sober. So why did a man with a mental illness get interviewed within a short space of time and Why did they release so much about the case within hours

3 people have been stabbed by Somalian gang in last two weeks but I have heard nothing. And if they say he was in good mind to be interviewed, Why when he appeared in court said, Death to traitors freedom to people.

This is not a statement of someone of sound mind after he's been interviewed
None of it makes sense or seems to be following the guidelines.
{Ed033's Note - Normally if you want someone or some people shot, you have at least one other gunman/sniper asset who makes sure the 'operation' succeeds.
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southampton87
19 Jun 2016 16:32:23
This could very well be why no one (I think )
Has seen or spoken to this second man
Considering all other information has been released as it did
Why on earth the only other key witness involved has not been seen or heard of
The man that got stabbed in his belly out side my mums house two weeks ago (type in google southampton daily echo milton road ) collapsed on the floor and blood was every where
This second character got stabbed in belly and was not treated at the scene where mrs cox was and was not seen
All I heared was a man with a black cap on BBC
Then it was white

And what is more what you say has substance
Look at the replay of JFK
You can clearly see different angle shots
And most of the world was fooled into believing
One man that had little training managed this

Had anyone seen or heard of anonymous I think he does good work
He believe he has info to prove
Mk ultra has a lot to do with these false flags and the like
Mixture of drugs and mind control
Not a new thing I know just wondered.
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Discussion #11850Talk Sense

19 Jun 2016 02:05:26
Just wanted to bring to people's attention if it's been missed. The blood bags ordered for destruction by a Spanish judge have this week been ordered to be released for testing. court insists blood bags are released. Not sure anything will come of it though.

goo.gl/rbkxVK

southampton87
19 Jun 2016 16:35:31
Yes I heard that and also the top four clubs in the prem where accused to move attention
It worked quite well so none of the football associations will push or help investigation.
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southampton87
19 Jun 2016 23:43:45
Not to meantion they may as well just do every real competitive league in the world
And these type things boost it in the off season
Look at bale at southampton lanky nipper big ears
Season after Tottenham Hench and ears fit
Ronaldo first season prem with United slight build
Next season cut up like mad
Old school football had great players
But now they have to be athletes.
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Discussion #11429Talk Sense

18 Jun 2016 15:30:56
The EU thing is doing my tits in. Some of the stuff out there is laughable. Quotes from joe public like
" I want to stay European" "we won't be able to move abroad" "I trade on eBay with Europe "and people saying stuff like will we need to get visas and will we be vetted when we go abroad! Is that such a bad thing? Are we such a pristine bunch of people in the uk that we should be exempt from been vetted. If your a good person it won't matter one bit!

It will be business as usual without us having to bail countries out and be forced to take people in. If it's all supposed to be so equal and fair in the EU then why does every dislodged member of whatever countries at war want to pass through every other European country and come to the Uk. Go to Poland or Ukraine maybe Hungary all beautiful countries to name but a few but they won't because those countries don't tolerate people coming in trying to change the way that they live where as in the uk youre free to build a state within a state; Madness.

You look at the whole Middle East and people forget that they have had about a 8 thousand year head start on the rest of the civilised world. Some of the oldest and most fantastic places on earth with loads of natural resources and the ability to have rich lush countries with good infrastructure. So why are they still living in the dark ages. I think people need to understand when you go to other places it's the same as going to someone's house. Your welcome to come but please take your shoes off at the door and act in accordance to the tried and tested customs that has seen our great land prosper.

southampton87
18 Jun 2016 17:01:36
I hear that, I've seen the same too does make your head hurt. The plain stupidity, but I think most are paid trolls/crisis actors mate. The EU gives certain groups a little different so little pockets of communities benefit from certain rights and are in the belief certain funds only come from Europe.

The EU is like going to a shop for cigs and getting bumped for a stealth charge by claiming a membership fee, lol. You would avoid that shop like the plague. Just think, 6 billion got handed to Britain in funds. Poland (beautiful) people sent 1.1 billion back without it touching the economy. So that is now 4.9 billion

How much child benefits has already gone. How many rents are being covered
How much more does it cost to keep everybody healthy (Dentist and doctors) Has anyone noticed how you didn't need to book a doctors appointment a month in advance 15 years ago. I would argue the 350 a week figure should've been quadrupled. Government lie about how many are here. There is almost double the active JS numbers than claimed by the snakes as being here.

We think unemployment is low across Europe. I beg before we try counting that we add all the unfortunate 0 hour contract workers to the list and any that are unable to earn more than 80 a week. Then we too will have very similar numbers

Vote out, And if any argue on the post and then Watch Brexit the movie.
Lexit the movie And Urgent message to all British people, All on youtube and free to watch. Then afterwards I think most Will open their eyes to what is the real deal.

I don't think one person would have a problem if the false advert and promise of Europe was the actual goal. Vote out for a great future for our children. Then in the future our children will have the right to vote for it.
Vote for freedom and democracy, Vote out.
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southampton87
18 Jun 2016 20:48:54
I know people will disagree with what I say with the migrants
I love migrants who improve and embrace this home
But all I have heard since this referendum
Do nothing but talk us down
When we trip every other nation will laugh
And when finally this once great place falls
These people who left there homeland for this place
Will run and leave our home in a mess with little care for the generations that deal with the consequence
Please do not take this as anything else
But care for my homeland and future generations
I will happily lay in what bed I make.
{Ed033's Note - Apparently at the last Bilderberg meeting, they were discussing the continual ruination of Europe (especially the richer countries in Europe to begin with) by means of immigration from Africa and The Middle East. Uk will be ruined by the continual influx of immigrants from Africa and The Middle East. It's an agenda, so it will happen.

Virtually none of the immigrants from Africa or The Middle East will ever get a job, so why and how do we pay for them?
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southampton87
18 Jun 2016 22:33:08
I feel sorrow and anger to that
Sorrow for every child that has been bought up in this country in the thought they would have health care and welfare to insure no one went without and sorrow they will have such a dim future.
My anger is at the pigs that feel so much above us, they do these type of things.
As always cheers for heads up ed.
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HP
19 Jun 2016 09:48:34
Yes, it's doing my head in as well. I happened to buy The MoS today, and it's just full of it, pages to the hilts dedicated to 'Remain', and the likes of big company bosses giving it it mouth. It also states that the 'remain' have taken a 3 point lead, wouldn't surprise me, as so many are still 'sleeping' . It's time to wake up people and really see what is going on. The. PM states that he'll give the people a referendum on on EU, and is totally biased on you know where. Should he not be impartial and let the people decide!
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HP
19 Jun 2016 09:51:37
Forgot to mention the fact that MoS is exploiting the death of the MP for the 'remain' lot.
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Discussion #12517Talk Sense

18 Jun 2016 08:06:13
Not a conspiracy, even though the whole finance industry and the collapse was a conspiracy. I have a finance related question relating to the collapse.

When the too big to fail banks went with cap in hand to the governments, basically saying give us money or the whole thing falls down, why didn't the governments just say, NO.

Let the banks fail, create a state owned bank and with the money that they were giving to the banks, why not give it to the people, I don't know how or what equation that could be used to work out who gets what, why not give it to the people, to pay off their debts or mortgages thus freeing up the income they earned from working to use as disposable income stimulating the economy that way.

Surely, if you divided the money that they got from the government between the people each of us would have got a sizeable amount.

Or even if they just forced the banks to write off the countries mortgage debt for the money?

Hope this makes sense. its the wine talking. lol.

 

{Ed033's Note - What you say makes perfect sense to a sane person, but we're not dealing with sane people. Governments are controlled not by we the people but by those who 'own' the banks, the drugs, the oil, the arms industry and other things.

But, that was in the past, but right now it appears that they know that the current financial system has to be altered over the next decade or so to keep things going.

You're starting to see a change this even at your local atm, giving out lower denominated notes. They are removing the higher dominated notes from society and they will continue with this as they move towards a cashless society.

At some point they have to have some debt jubilee where certain debts are forgiven (and placed somewhere else for repayment by governments via we the people) and they can start a new financial system. The new financial system won't be designed to benefit we the people though.

Their plan at the moment seems to be to give everyone a personalised chip, that will be in a card (to begin with) and that card/chip/account is what you need to operate in society which includes being paid and taxed and fined through it. And if they don't like you (such as you being a dissenter in their opinion), they can turn the chip off and you can't survive without someone else doing everything else in society for you.

In 2 years time, you're going to know that you're in a recession and in 10 years time, robots will take a fair number of jobs and in 20 years time Artificial Intelligence will take most of the jobs.
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Discussion #5275Talk Sense

17 Jun 2016 22:46:25
David Icke talks about the manufactured reaction by the main stream to Noel Edmonds' recent 'out of the box' comments regarding cancer.

 

southampton87
18 Jun 2016 17:11:35
Another good vid ed!
Just more proof on how things are directed and guided
Buy the rich company's that have there dirty hands of power on our country's

But with us ants talking and communicating technology that humanity needs to make this difference will eventually
Come though
We can hope
Also is a fact feelings can have an impact on health good and bad
How many times do you have a stressful day
To end with a headache
And when you sleep relax you wake up and it is gone
Greed is always the story
But when you think money had little impact to these as they have so much
Says they're psycho.
{Ed033's Note - exactly
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