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21 Dec 2011 14:00Discussion #652Talk Sense

21 Dec 2011 14:59:23
{Ed033's Note - Below are 2 videos with michael schratt presenting info about older black technology that he has uncovered but this is only the tip of a giant iceberg for anyone who is interested.

21 Dec 2011 17:21

Why use a eighteen wheeler truck to carry a weather balloon.

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21 Dec 2011 18:41

Because they keep lying to us and it's not a a weather balloon?

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23 Dec 2011 10:56

Yous do know he said it was a computer generated photo but based on eye witness accounts many years later

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21 Dec 2011 13:51Discussion #651Talk Sense

21 Dec 2011 14:27:09
Oh, forgot to mention reference Diana. Was'nt there a type of Fiat that left the scene of the accident that has never been traced?

Supasub

{Ed033's Note - Certainly was and there is a whole cover up of that. If it was trivial then there wouldn't have been the massive cover-up

21 Dec 2011 18:33

My theory on that is that it wasn't directly involved in the "accident" but witnessed it.

1. They didn't want witnesses so they got "disappeared".

2. They were some sort of secret agent types who saw it buwere watching the op but obviously can't some forward.

What you think Ed?

Mort.

{Ed033's Note - Most likely 2. According to the late Sherman Skolnick, there was a team located in UK that specialised in assassinating people using car crashes.}

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21 Dec 2011 23:14

Diana was killed because they didnt want to have a Muslim in the royal family.

Azza

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23 Dec 2011 16:39

I totally agree but it takes the pi** considering the queen is from german decadency

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21 Dec 2011 13:51Discussion #650Talk Sense

21 Dec 2011 14:24:51
Great site! I've followed the football one for a while and stumbled across this one covering some of my favourite subjects. JFk, Aliens, Illuminati, Diana etc.
It's probably been covered, but does anyone want give some thoughts on the "ancient astronaut" paintings in Italy and various reference's in Old testament, Genesis etc of ....flying god's,large clouds with fire like/glowing metal with 4 objects beneath?
No mention of "Adam & Eve" though.

Supasub

P.s (Out of interest, are the ed's the same as on the football site's?)

{Ed033's Note - Ed001 is a football editor but Ed033 is not a football editor.}

21 Dec 2011 18:15

Hi supasub, check out ancient Sumeria and the Anunnaki, it's at least a fascinating story!

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

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20 Dec 2011 21:56Discussion #649Talk Sense

20 Dec 2011 22:03:40
Was watching a documentary on how supposedly Princess Diana was killed by the security services what is your view on this Eds as you seem to be in the know for most things?

Halewood Red

{Ed033's Note - Several books were written about that it was no accident - Jon King and John Beveridge wrote Princess Diana: The Hidden Evidence - books.google.co.uk/books?id=AI0ui3cazTcC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Looking at the available evidence, I don't think it was an accident. For example we have:
1. All the cameras near the tunnel switched off
2. The mercedes used had been stolen at gun point earlier and then abandoned a while later (possibly to add devices)
3. The strange route to the tunnel which was the opposite direction
4. The bodyguard that survived told to keep quiet afterwards
5. The Henri Paul "drunk driver" false accusation
6. The ritual date change and ritual place of the crash
7. The quick clean up of the crime scene after the crash
8. Allegedly no one knows who the ambulance people are who took Diana to the hospital
9. The ambulance bypassed the first hospital and went to the second hospital further away
10. The ambulance took about 40 minutes to arrive at the second hospital but the journey should have taken 10 minutes
11. Diana was allegedly just seen with an injured arm and was walking about after the crash

Chris Everard produced a documentary about this called Lady Die

20 Dec 2011 23:52

Well the Media killed her that night. They forced the driver into taking more risks that he would have.

The driver may of been drunk too.

Its 2000', people dont care if a di was prego with a muslim b**tard child {Ed001's Note - actually there is a lot of doubt about the driver's drunken state, nothing about his driving supports that 'find'. In fact numerous tests tried out since then have shown that even hardened drinkers struggled to stand up, let alone walk naturally to a car and drive it, with the amount he was said to have drunk. I remember waking up in the night when it happened, the initial on-the-spot radio report, from a reporter who said they were at the scene reporting it, said that Di was put into the ambulance conscious. I have always wished I had taken notice of the name of the reporter etc so I could find out if they really were there.}

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21 Dec 2011 00:28

Iv drove home drunk, not stupid drunk, but had enough to take a few more risks than i should have eg speed up to pass the lights. with a chasing pack im sure he made a mistake, was driving a little bit too fast and clipped side of the tunel then lost control.

Its logical. {Ed001's Note - not with the amount of alcohol said to be in his system you wouldn't.}

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21 Dec 2011 00:28

I saw the whole thing happen live on sky news. The reporters where chasing the car.

They where on the scene in seconds and watched di die in front of them. All the time taking pictures instead of helping.

So really who is really to blame. The reporters or a drunk driver or was it a sniper who shot out one of tyers.lol {Ed001's Note - you saw it happen live on Sky News? Strange that, it wasn't live on Sky News. The reports were only coming through after the event happened. Even their initial reports from 3:24am UK time said that she had concussion and a broken arm but was alive.}

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21 Dec 2011 01:03

The official cover story/disinformation is that the paparazzi were to blame.

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21 Dec 2011 01:40

It's odd as I remember coming in from a night out and being told by the taxi driver, but at the time clubs near me shut at around 2am so can't have been much later than 3am yet time lines say's different. It's a conspiracy I tells ya!

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20 Dec 2011 18:07Discussion #648Talk Sense

20 Dec 2011 18:24:57
I've just read that Dutch scientists claim to have developed a deadly strain of bird flu. The mutation means the virus can transmitted through the air......WHY??

Presumably this will be unleashed on the public in the nexy year or two and actually achieve the death count that swine flu was supposed to??

Paragon

21 Dec 2011 00:28

Why do people do that, then it gets out. im still recoving from swing flu

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21 Dec 2011 00:44

It's a good point, why develop a deadly strain of bird flu? Unless to release it

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21 Dec 2011 01:40

In order to create the drugs that can counteract the deadly form. You CANNOT build a vacine or cure without first cultuing the virus. I'm sure someone will tell me that this is a lie put about by the illuminate etc but it really isn't.

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21 Dec 2011 16:10

No you'd take the original bird flu and develop stuff from that not create a weaponised version of the original bird flu as you have just changed the original bird flu.

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21 Dec 2011 18:15

According to the scientists reasoning, modifying the virus into a much deadlier strain will enable them / big pharma to create new vaccines.

However, they go on to say bird flu in its current form does not transmit that well, nowhere near level of other flu strains but, 60% of people that have bird flu die. They also pointed out that their modified virus "could" occur naturally....You think?

So what i can't wrap my tiny little mind around is that if bird flu is already deadly in its current form, why change its potency (in terms of being able to distribute and contract the virus) to create new vaccines?

As usual the yanks are involved; saying the findings shouldn't be published because terrorists will get hold of it and use it against us, but of course they expect to be fully briefed and most likely obtain a sample for their own development!?

Whether it be a pandemic or new largely untested vaccines being pumped into our young and old (i guess the middle group is a good demographic and emerging market!) this sounds really snakey to me.

Paragon

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20 Dec 2011 15:57Discussion #647Talk Sense

20 Dec 2011 16:47:34
Kepler22, anyone else see this as a blatant smokescreen from NASA. Tell us the truth about the moon and mars!! Really winds me up, they feed you little suggestive hints on a drip that there could possibly be life in other places, when its blatantley obvious the whole universe is absoloutley teaming with life. Strikes me as a 'Kepler 22 will keep them off our backs for a while' sort of thing. Any thoughts?

LIAM

20 Dec 2011 16:52

Ye i know where your coming from it's like a very slow drip feed to get us used to the possibility of life on other planets one of the Eds posted a good documentary about the moon the other day it's well worth a watch

MJ

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20 Dec 2011 21:55

Most people don't want to know the truth.to caught up in their own rubbish lives to think about anything else.but pages like this and many others help to change peoples opinions and thoughts.ignorance is bliss.all the info on the moon is available to anyone who wants to know but it seems like a minority.we should all know things like this but are never told....why....

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20 Dec 2011 22:28

{Ed033's Note - Here is the moon documentary mentioned above - Moon Rising - (Full Disclosure Version) by Jose Escamilla

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21 Dec 2011 00:28

They feed people that line to get populaity amoung nut jobs like yourselves.

Then they hit the goverment up for more money as NASA becomes a hot talking point.

ITs a game NASA play for money, They consume billions in tax dolla.

Also NASA have invented some great things. I wonder why their invenions never cove their outgoing?

Prob because they bill the goverment $50 dollas for a $3 hammer.

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21 Dec 2011 13:51

Eh?? your point doesnt make sense. They have got no popularity amongst people like me, hence the nature of the post. Plus your using a hammer analagy in a post about space and kepler22 haha. The evidence is that strong that NASA is hiding information, that its not up to conspirisists to prove they are lying, its up to the people like you to prove that they are NOT lying. Can you?? Give it 5 years and every major government will have no choice but to admit that E.T's exist and we have known for a very long time,

LIAM

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20 Dec 2011 02:05Discussion #646Talk Sense

20 Dec 2011 02:40:41
This isnt really a conspiracy more a thought but I will put it to yous anyway. Well I think that religon kinda contradicts its self because if u think about earile man b4 jesuse if he even was real. What did they beleve b4 him sureley there must have been sumthing? And what about when man started off in africa (if it did lol) how did man travel all round the world n populate mother earth and create so many faiths from the same starting population. I just cant get my head round it to be honest. Can any one explane how this happend or is religion just a lode of bull. Im a non belever by the way. And dont slag the spelling a no im crap at it lol

20 Dec 2011 08:44

Christianity grew out of Judaism (as did Islam) prior to those there were multi god religions like the greeks, romans, egyptians, norse gods etc. Most peoples through the years have turned to a god or gods as a way to explain things that were too big for their minds or the current thinking of the time.

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20 Dec 2011 08:44

Earth was one supercontinent before breaking up was it not? therefore,people are all over the shop.

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20 Dec 2011 09:14

If you check out ancient Sumeria and their gods, that's where EVERY religion got its story. Doesn't mean that's the true story either, but it's the first recorded history/myth/legend from a very advanced civilisation.

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

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20 Dec 2011 15:57

Its a bit like chinese whispers, all modern religions originate form the same thing but over the years have seperated and changed slightly as theyve spreaded, there is a video showing this, to do with the stars and planets, maybe the ed or someone has a link?

LIAM

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20 Dec 2011 16:52

Religion should be more about spirituality instead of worshipping an idol thats the problem someone comes up with a God figure and it grows and grows until a group of idiots believe their god is greater and Holy wars start Religion is Pathetic if you idol worship

MJ

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19 Dec 2011 19:48Discussion #645Talk Sense

19 Dec 2011 20:34:15
For those who feel humans have ever co-existed with Dinosaurs take a look at this excellent doc from the BBC: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b014lsgb/Dinosaurs_Myths_and_Monsters/ sorry not sure of a location for it outside of BBC iPlayer.

I'm sure many of you will still not believe what they say (far too close minded!) but maybe, just maybe you will change your views.

20 Dec 2011 15:13

Noone knows what went on millions of years ago mate, i wouldnt form any opinion on what the bbc says, dont they still have a massive emphasis on 'global warming'

LIAM

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20 Dec 2011 20:56

To the original poster. It is genetically proven that the entire human race came from Africa. Every human being on the planet contains at least one genetic thread traceable back to them but they only contain their genetic material. How they dispersed is quite simple. The world is not as big as you think it is even if you are on foot - especially if you are hunter-gatherer nomads continually moving. Up Africa into the middle east. West into Europe, East in to Asia. Across the Bering Straits on foot during the winter and into America. Another line through China and then island hopping throughout the South Pacific and Australia. The hardest part to colonise is the South Pacific but rarely can you get anywhere in the South Pacific where you can't see at least one other island on the horizon and Man has been building canoes since before the stoneage.

{Ed033's Note - It appears probable that at least some of our genes came from elsewhere i.e. not from planet Earth. Even Zulu Sanusi Elder, Credo Mutwa has said that Zulu means, People of the Stars (roughly translated into English).

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21 Dec 2011 00:38

Liam, no of course no-one knows for usre, but it is about using evidence to base your assumptions, not fantasy!

Not sure what you are trying to say poster 2?

Ed, so what if Zulu means star people, what does that prove? where is your EVIDENCE that at least some of our genes come from Elsewhere? It is very easy to say these things but please show any scientific evidence.

{Ed033's Note - The whole point is that the truth is being hidden from us and in its place, we are being given B.S especially from mainstream science. We have to piece things together from various different information to come to the conclusion that it is probable that at least some of our DNA is from elsewhere.}

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21 Dec 2011 13:56

If that is the case show me the evidence. You have come to this conclusion, tell me how? what papers by scientists have you read that show this or allude to this? What peer journals has this work been published in, so that people can look at the real details and offer other proposals/conclusions/theories?

Most of the information I have read/watched etc on conspiracies is one person saying it is obvious, yet providing no information or evidence of their findings.

There are cases were what is said is true and provable, such as the monetary systems being corrupt, currency being costly etc. but the real evidence to lead to those conculsions is offered. When it comes to things like no moon landings or aliens provide black technology, there is never one bit of evidence apart from this person says that it happens. This is NOT evidence it is hearsay. Often when evidence is submitted it is proven to be false or faked (the odd stones in S.America alledgedly showing dinosaurs with people, or that dodgey film where the chap "colourizes" moon images and claims they show buildings, both of which have been disproven by a multitude of people) Not that people believe the debunkers, they obviously have an agenda!

All I ask is that if someone claims a conspiracy they show evidence to support their theory rather than just stating it as fact. Doing so makes the theory no more real than having a religious beliefe system. Unfortunately this is why real situations like the 911 controversy is not taken seriously and looked into by the powers that be, they are associated with unsupported conspiracy theories.

{Ed033's Note - What I think you have posted above is that you are actually describing how human beings tend to think. Some things they believe in more easily than other things. Some things take an awful lot of info to believe in and other things it doesn't take much to believe in There is probably more info about the moon controversy than the 9/11 controversy and yet you appear to believe in the 9/11 controversy but not the moon controversy. The monetary system is corrupt but so is NASA and I think the evidence is out there. }

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21 Dec 2011 15:08

Agree with the ed mate, If the Government/NASA/anybody really, are willing to regulary lie about MASSIVE life changing subjects, then surely everything they say should be questioned. Who blindly believes proven liars?, I could get the proven by science bit, but they know nothing, along with historians. Werent the Egyptian pyramids meant to be the oldest and biggest, were you not told that in school. What about the recently discoverd Bosnian pyramids or Garut Pyramid? These people are the ones claiming fact, until they discover something else, then that becomes fact, I reckon we're on the brink of another 'so the earth isnt flat then', situation where literally everything we think we know about everything will come into question, and i personally cant wait

LIAM

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19 Dec 2011 18:39Discussion #644Talk Sense

19 Dec 2011 18:23:30
what do we make of kim jong-il death then

19 Dec 2011 19:01

Well one less loon in the world. Maybe now the north koreans have a chance.

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19 Dec 2011 19:48

An old man from a stressful job (even if he was mad) had a heart attack. No conspiracy.

Doubt it will change much in N.Korea.

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20 Dec 2011 20:41

It will change nothing in North Korea. NK is ruled by their military, Kim was just a front man for the people to focus on and his lad will be nothing more. It is a military doictatorship firmly under vcontrol of the Generals.

{Ed033's Note - China allegedly has influence over North Korea as well.}

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20 Dec 2011 22:42

Could his son break the mould and improve the lives of millions of north Koreans and become a true great rather than another despot dictator.only time will tell

{Ed033's Note - People thought Obama was going to break the mold of bad presidents since JFK and become a true great and improve the lives of millions Americans but that didn't happen.}

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21 Dec 2011 02:03

I actually think Obama tried to break the mould, a bit at least, with reforms to social care in America and controls of banks/media but he was faought all the way by a corupt press and even more corupt senate. Look at the way decent medical care for everyone has been vilified as an appalling thought!

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18 Dec 2011 22:03Discussion #643Talk Sense

18 Dec 2011 23:02:04
i suggest you all read this! Montauk and the secret government

www.bibliotecapleyades.net/montauk/esp_montauk_15.htm

Azza

19 Dec 2011 20:01

Having read it, sure sounds like the old TV program the Time Tunnel. With some 2012 propoganda thrown in.

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20 Dec 2011 08:44

Used to love the re-runs of Time-Tunnel in the 70's. It was, back in the day, the most expensive TV program made.
Unfortunately the re-runs on kids TV from Tyne Tees ( my region at that time) where never in order, very infuriating

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18 Dec 2011 16:33Discussion #642Talk Sense

18 Dec 2011 17:30:47
Regarding the radioactive material found in russian airport, does anybody think this radioactive package that was on its way to Iran is a fix in order to give American and Nato and excuse to attack Iran?

Halewood Red

18 Dec 2011 16:46

I think the fact it happened in russia speaks volumes.

But remember the Iranians are not exactly innocents either. Just look at them getting a mob of soldiers dressed in civvies to smash into the British Embassy.

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18 Dec 2011 17:12

Britain isnt exactly innocent either,wherever there is conflict....Britains is there.

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18 Dec 2011 17:57

Never said we was, but there's a bit too much of this "O poor innocent Iran" rubbish going on. Their up there as one of the top 3 worst state sponsors of terrorism and yes i am counting the yanks in that.

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18 Dec 2011 21:56

I wasn't suggesting that Iran was innocent but do you think that they would have better ways off getting the material in. I just thought maybe they were making it public so when they started attacks they could have a good excuse for doing so

Halewood Red

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19 Dec 2011 09:56

So why is it ok for us (uk) and USA to have nuclear weapons, but when someone else does, it's an atrocity and we must intervene?
Getting more ridiculous as each day passes!

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

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18 Dec 2011 14:51Discussion #641Talk Sense

18 Dec 2011 15:46:28
I watched a youtube conference last week, (cant remember who was talking) but he mentioned the so called riots a few months ago, and he said that london liverpool manchester in fact everywhere, did you actually see anyone rioting?. We saw looting, we saw that tv getting ripped off the wall three times an hour every hour, we saw buildings burning but no petrol bombs thrown, going back to the toxteth riots when i was 12, we all seen the rioters on cameras/video but with all the cctv we have now, sky itv bbc show a few shops getting robbed and a crowd watching, the mainstream media done their job because people on social network sites calling for the army and real bullets, tezting the water for a police state me thinks.
Frankyscouse

{Ed033's Note - The following link is similar to what you describe above - www.richplanet.net/starship_main.php?ref=80&part=1

18 Dec 2011 16:46

Didnt the government claim it was public disorder at first so that they wouldnt have to pay compensation?once boris picked up a sweeping brush thats when we knew the streets where safe.

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18 Dec 2011 19:11

I think its a bit more than paying compo my friend, i think its get our country in such a state that everyone will be begging for the army or the very least all police to be armed, then the **** will hit the fan, gradually our voice has gone threw the decades from the unions being dismantled to getting taxed by everything except oxygen, as a country we all need to wake up, be more like the french, if they don't like anything there goverment does they All strike. Frankyscouse

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19 Dec 2011 10:52

To the people who disagreed with my last point, iwould like to know why you don't agree. Frankyscouse

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19 Dec 2011 18:39

I don't know either franky but please stop giving them ideas especially taxing oxygen i for one hope they have not already seen this as i fear they will be voting it in as i type I just wonder how they would implement the tax against animals and plants. lol

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19 Dec 2011 18:39

I never clicked disagree but i will have a go.

Basically striking never achieves anything it only costs you support. The last major successful strike in this country was the 1974 general strike which toppled the Heath govt and in the end that only caused the downfall of the unions as it helped the rise of Thatcher. When the NUM tried to repeat '74 by coming out in 1984 they had an enemy who was far tougher than Heath and she used to to break the unions. Its taken the unions 30 years to recover and there's only the public sector ones left. The over 50's fat cats that run these public sector unions remember the glory days and all they care about is getting revenge on the Tories for the 80's and trying to give Cameron a bloody nose. They will fail because like '84 they don't have widespread support, if anything they have less than they did in '84. Incidentally mnay families of the striking miners from the '84 strike are still in debt to this day.

Onto your example of France. Do you think constantly being on strike has achieved anything in France? By allowing people to retire in the early to mid 50's they have pushed up the welfare state budget massively over the years and now they cannot cope with it. This is why France is starting to creak. This is why Sarkozy wants to raise the retirement age because he knows they can't afford it. But the barricades will soon be out and they'll be on strike, maybe even win concessions and France's debts will carry on going up. So yeah the Fench have had their fun out of striking but never considered the long term consquences and now the chickens are coming home to roost because Socialists can never do long term sums.

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