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Ed001 - you forget to mention the mountain of empirical literature that is proven correct time and time again (i.e. quantum theory, evolution by natural selection). They very nature of the Scientific Method - to conduct repeatable experiments that produce as unambiguous a dataset as possible - means it is the most reliable form of research.

Sitting back and picking holes in what has been achieved by society (which is basically what conspiracy theorists do) has not led to Darwinian medicine, traditional medicine, or even to the development of modern technology. These advances, on which we so heavily rely, are based on sound scientific evidence, discovered and developed using the Scientific Method. Hence my "arrogance" (I feel Ed033 set the tone) when discussing the reliability of evidence. Although there are undoubtedly shady corporations that influence the direction and impetus of some scientific research, the majority of science works and produces results. Hence my bafflement at the general distrust of it on here. When ill, any sane man turns to a medically-trained doctor, and I'm pretty sure you don't think internet fairies transport our information across the world wide web.

I think what I'm trying to say is: throughout history it is science and its method that has produced advances and results which indicate its reliability. Discrediting science has not.

finally, I apologise for my arrogant tone. If you place "as far is understood..." in front of everything I have asserted, my actual tone will come across. I'm no "keyboard warrior".

Thanks

Rikki {Ed001's Note - quantum theory has been proved time and time again? Are you for real? It is referred to as a theory because it is far from proven, just like evolution. There are as more holes than evidence to support both, now that could well be simply because we don't know enough. But, either way, there is no real proven facts in science, it evolves all the time as we fill in those gaps and find our old beliefs turn out to be complete nonsense. That is why your arrogant statements about proven facts are just laughable. We know virtually nothing about the world around us, even less about the oceans and even less again about the universe. To suggest that something can't be true because it doesn't fit with what we know, well it's simply ridiculous. It might well be a load of tosh, but you only have your opinion it is based on a knowledge base that is extremely limited by the fact that humanity has almost no knowledge. So to come on shouting about how it can't possibly be true because you don't know about it, it seems a little silly and arrogant to suggest we know enough to discount things. The problem with most theories are that scientists have a tendency to try and fit facts around their favourite theory, rather than try and find the theory that best fits what they know.}

I reckon the main reason we haven't been back is simply politics. The economic investment in such a project is monumental, and once it was done (which I personally think it was), there was no need to go back on a whim.

As the Soviets and China/India are now focussing more on Mars, it has followed that the USA's latest extravagant venture (forgetting the catastrophic JWST) is an attempt to blow all their competitors' efforts out of the water.

If the Moon was filled with oil they'd be [back] there in a heartbeat!

Rikki

Tough one to call! I seen a video where a guy made an exact duplicate in the nevada desert! Shot with the same camera! Couldn't tell the difference! Makes you wonder why we haven't been back??

Runcorn Red!

If people want to beleive in god I have no problem with that its just a different opinion to mine. What I actually hate though is relegion, how can you be devoted to something you cannot prove and thank this god for all his wonder without acknowledging the fact that he must have created everything bas aswell ! I dont get how a 60 year old woman who has been to church/mosque/temple all her life and allways followed the 10 commandments or whatever, gets say bowel cancer and has a 2 year painfull struggle then dies, but before she dies still beleives in god and says things like their going to a better place. Be my guest, beleive in him it or them, but PLEASE STOP TELLING THE WORLD GOD LOVES YOU ! If he's real he hates you, get over it.

Matt_RFC

I looked into this extensively at the time, he was blocking gas pipeline, a joint German Russian massive project to line the pockets of the elite look it up. The company was Nord Stream. It was to get Russian gas from the baltic sea to Germany by going through Poland. This was being blocked by Poland and causing a bit of a pain for the wealthy russian families who dont take no for an answer. Anyway hey presto they all get killed and Russia invited them all to the ceremony which was for Polish lives lost in WW2 in Russia. Not a conspiricy just purely a coincidence, leaders of countries have never been removed because of the earths natural resources ---- surely not ??? Ha !

Matt_RFC

It is just a point of discussion that will never end though. What started everything off? I think the world is better off believing that a God did it and bringing faith and a moral code to live by with it. Again, I'm sitting on the fence of this, so if any answer is ever revealed, I'll happily accept that answer (with proof or reasoning) but until then, I'm happy to carry on believing in a higher power. There is no point being so close minded that people can't at least accept the possibility of a God and trying to argue with people about it so they lose their own faith!

@Rikki- "amlost certainly no ancient aliens"
Not being standoffish but I'm really interested in hearing you're thoughts on the expedited evolution of our speciec. We wandered around for millions of years unable to make even the most elementary civilogical advances and seemingly instantanously at about 12-14 thousand years ago we began farming, domesticating animals, and building civilizations. Also eyewitness reports of the times as well as scientific annomalies seemingly point to unrivaled technological occurences in these ancient times. These are not schewed hypothesi of conspiracy sight but rather fact and I'm just curious to hear you're beliefs on the matter.
BUCK

Ed033 - you are one fine troll! After your "this web site maybe a bit too advanced current level of knowledge" bit, I scrolled down and found this:

"They need to hurry up and find this "god particle" the hicks bozon if thats spelt correctly ? The nutters will just say "Ah but who made the hicks bozon, must have been god" I can see it now...."

I really fail to spot your logic here. Your riposte reminds me of something I read:

"But arguing with religious people is like playing chess with a pigeon - they knock over the pieces, defecate on the board and then fly away back to their friends to brag about their victory." - You have made no attempt to enter into rational discussion of your ideas. Rather, you have tried to insult my intelligence by ignoring my very valid questioning of your clearly flawed assertions, presumably to divert the attention from said flaws. The presentation of videos on a conspiracy website is evidence of the same calibre as the bible. (n.b. I couldn't even get past the bit at the start of the video recapping the latest news, it was that dreadful).

I am not here to enter into debates on the current paradigm in crazy conspiracies, but when I see clearly misguided interpretations of science and scientists I try to correct them. I will happily back up any of the assertions I have made with empirical, peer-reviewed data. The kind of stuff you can replicate to check it's not contrived to distract the masses.

Rikki {Ed001's Note - empirical, peer-reviewed data told us for years that margarine was healthier than butter, even though that was a complete lie. To suggest that anything you could produce is in anyway more or less reliable than any thing anyone else could produce is arrogant nonsense. Scientists spend most of their time fitting their data into patterns that suit the major company paying them to do the research. Hardly a trustworthy group, just like the conspiracy theorists that are coming out with theories to make their living. By the way, I fail to see on what basis you are asserting that mass extinctions must take place more frequently. You do realise that you, or anyone else for that matter, know very little about anything, we have such huge gaps in our knowledge that you cannot make any kind of assertion like that. Reality has a way of proving that the impossible is possible.}

I heard the reson for the plane crash was because Polan said they were going to stop buying US Treasury Bonds and the plane crash was a warning any thoughts ed?

Lurgan Red

{Ed033's Note - It's obvious that never would all the top political people in a country ever fly on 1 plane but that is what happened to the polish top political people. It was an obvious assassination of these people on this flight. They were assassinated because they weren't playing ball. They were doing things that might actually benefit the people of Poland, one of which was not taking out huge international loans that they didn't need. I agree with you it was a warning to tell the new polish government to get with the program or else.}

Yes he also personally lead the investigastion into the Polish prez's plane crash which was like letting the fox lead the investigastion into who raided the chicken coup. Shady oil barron, one of many.

Matt_RFC

They need to hurry up and find this "god particle" the hicks bozon if thats spelt correctly ? The nutters will just say "Ah but who made the hicks bozon, must have bben god" I can see it now....

Matt_RFC

Here's a site for Walter Cruttenden one of the main researchers and exponets of our Sun being part of a Binary system

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org

But the point of God is that it's probably more than likely never going to be known whether he does or does not exist! I'm not arguing for him here, just stating that I'm willing to keep an open mind as to my knowledge, there's no proof that he doesn't exist. I honestly don't believe in the bible, most of it is lifted from other texts and it's hard to believe in most of it, and I agree with science as it obviously has the proof behind it to back it up, but there still must have been something at the very beginning? I'll admit I like the idea of a God, because it really does help to comprehend the idea of the universe's creation, rather than not knowing why or how it became? like I said, I sit on the fence on this, because there is no evidence backing up either side, and if God does exist, I'd rather be on good terms when i die haha

tinhead x

"There is not one shred of evidence for a nuclear explosion pre-20th century"

There is a site near India, I believe it is in Pakistan but I may be wrong, where a city that is now just remnants that have been dug showed a lot higher radiation than normal levels. It is speculated that this was a site where an explosion may have taken place in the past as mentioned in Hindi texts. The site is still being excavated ...

Dutch

" Same time though you cannot disprove that God/s don't exist"

Its up to you to prove god exists , you're making claims he / she / It may have more to contribute . Where is this god you speak of ?

jimi88

I dont think the nwo are out to destroy any religion infact i think they need people who believe in whatever god to pray to for more conflicts around the world, think about it if the jews and catholics/church of england/allah whoever would know god was a fraud , then everyone would turn there attenion to the real issue, like who is running our world, like the nwo and if there is no conflict about religion we could all unite against the real enemy, hence nwo.
frankyscouse

I wasn't trying to prove or disprove god's existence through any of that, just saying the figure that we call god which we use to make ourselves feel better about not understanding, still has a role to play. Until science proves there is no God, I'm willing to believe in the possibility!

Also, with the catholic priest thing, I admit that one raping anyone, is too many, but there isn't that many it's just a story inflated because of the fact that's a catholic priest! did you know that per capita, Vatican city has the highest rate of crime in the world? does that mean that the pope is a cat burgler? people can use statistics to argue any point so it's not worth paying attention to them. 74% of all people know that ;)

tinhead x

"this solar system is most likely a binary star system" - I would love to read the evidence for this assertion please, Ed033. The notion of a planet maintaining a steady orbit and developing a biosphere over 5by in a binary system is a bit misguided. Some of the largest orbital periods of binary stars are only on the scale of hundreds of thousands of years (e.g. Proxima and Alpha Centauri). If Earth were to receive the inevitable gravitational 'knock' so frequently it is likely that mass extinctions would occur much more frequently than every few hundred million years.

You put speech-marks around the word "scientists" like they don't exist, or aren't really scientists. Can you explain this?

Rikki

{Ed033's Note - Rikki, You might have to get up to speed before coming on here. This web site maybe a bit too advanced for your current level of knowledge. A good place to start is http://www.richplanet.net/starship.php scroll to the bottom and watch all the video interviews.}

God doesnt exist, and there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest so. There is more evidence out there that suggests we may not be alone in the universe, and even most of that evidence is questionable, but a very small percental of it is remarkable.
The universe is a beautiful, mysterious place, which we'll understand a lot more as time passes us by. But so far, we know only of ourselves in our tiny little corner of our galaxy. Maybe one day, we will come across another planet with intelligent life on it, and maybe not. But with the vastness of the universe, its more than likely that there is some galaxy out there that we dont even know about, that may be harbouring intelligent life forms, maybe just lime us, who knows.

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

Ed033, mine is an opinion supported by almost insurmountable evidence. Every single metamorphosed rock on the planet can be accounted for by natural processes such as heat and pressure. There is no need for high-energy radiation or stray nuclei to explain anything. Evidence is not opinion-based.

Rikki

{Ed033's Note - The idea is that if you come onto this web site, you come on with an open mind and the willingness to look at new information and and possibly learn new things because nobody knows everything. There is plenty of evidence of possible nuclear technology being used in the past on this planet but you have to have an open mind to read or take a look at the information in the first place.}